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We have one!, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 10, 2006 at 05:46:57 Brand spankin new 4WD JD, 75HP, every bell & whistle including AC and CD player in the cab, and Usher (DOug's Truck/Tractor dog) even has a collar to match. I'll have to put him in the bucket and take a picture. We'll be ready when the next dead horse appears in the driveway! (BTW...the tractor is Doug's. Mine is a 25HP, 25 yr. old YanMar painted JD green!) No we're not rednecks w/his n her tractors..... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: agreed, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 10, 2006 at 05:50:25 "Now I can only hope she does as promised - thats what an election is about right?" Yuppers. Or as I said to Angie in one of the threads, the election is the EASY part. I don't think, regardless of who wins, that they will be able to just say "Whew, that's over, now on to business as usual." The genii is out of the bottle, now, and can't be put back. 3-year terms are the MAXIMUM, not the MINIMUM. Really, as elections go, this one is the tamest of the several I have been aware of. For the most part, people have maintained on point. Which is good. One can only hope that, regardless of who wins, the malcontents amongs us don't throw roadblocks up just to be contrary. After all, it should be about the dogs and the club, and what is best for them, not trying to screw up everything just to make one person look bad. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** I know you haven't!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 10, 2006 at 06:00:12 And you are one of our "outside the box" thinkers who will probably survive this FT-breedings crisis. It's a shame that we have neglected some very talented and proven performance dogs in our midst because they do not have pedigrees liberally sprinkled with FC or AFC dogs. We have never had enough titled dogs at any time in our history to allow us to breed strictly to titled dogs. yet, I have heard this advocated for the last 5-10 years, and see where it has led us! The wise ones have always looked outside the FT lines for fresh talent and genes. Look at R. R. M Carpenter (Dilwyne), Anthony Bliss (Chesacroft), Alex Spear (Chesdel) and for modern times, Carol Andersen (Caroway) and Mario Beauregard (Nordais). They all have one thing in common: they would linebreed or inbreed for a generation, then outcross to a "show line" with proven performance ability. Their skill lay not in their pedigrees, but in their selection process once the pups were born. Inbreeding coefficients are way up, fertility is way down. The handwriting is on the wall. Time to outcross, people! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Field Peakes, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 10, 2006 at 06:12:47 "We may not have the breed field trial numbers or diversity that was present 20 years ago" That's my point. "the FIELD side of the Chesapeake Bay Retriever is alive and well" It won't be for long, unless something changes. Diversity doesn't increase over time, it decreases. As Jim so eloquently states, it's not just the FC and AFC dogs that should be included in breeding programs, but the MH dogs, the GRHRCH dogs, those who have proven they can DO IT, regardless of pedigree. In fact I would go one further. We have several males who are Ch/MH, some even QAA who are **** producers, who have been virtually ignored. These make logical outcross candidates, yet get passed over because they do not have the right number of FC or AFC dogs in their pedigrees. So maybe it isn't about the dogs, their abilities, and their genes at all. Maybe some people just have an insecurity problem, and don't want to be seen with a dog (regardless how talented) that isn't from the Chip x Surf cross. And the fact is, Keith, your dogs are now from this cross as well, so aren't "different" at all. They all go to Surf and Chip. No exceptions. How long do you think people can sustain this unbranching family tree? The fact that your litter consisted of 2 (count 'em, 2) pups would suggest that "indefinitely" is not an option. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: We have one!, Kevin Shaffer, kevinsREMOVE@leer.com, September 10, 2006 at 06:40:35 OH BOY!!!! Do you think I can drive it when I'm down next weekend. Got any fields to plow??? POOP to scoop. LOL And there has to be a little redneck blood flowing in those veins to know all those details and be proud of em'. LOL ***************** End Of Article ****************** It's OK, Kent, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 10, 2006 at 08:14:47 He's entitled to his opinion. Don't sell yourself short with the "wannabe" tag. If anything, the "wannabes" may very well be the people who salvage the Chessie as a FT animal. People like Julie Cole, Dana Bleifer, Peter Goetsch, Ray Gonzales, Jeff & Joyce Shaw, and many others who were branded early on with the "show" designation by ignorent/insecure folks. These people are working very hard to test/trial their dogs from diverse non field-trial backgrounds. One can only hope that the FT fraternity will wake up in time to utilize some of these dogs to broaden the sadly bottlenecked FT gene pool. The dogs have proven the talent, and their ability to pass it on to the next generation, so what is the problem? I can only assume it is a self-image issue among those who consider themselves "real trialers", and everyone else "wannabes". People who have successfully tapped into "different" bloodlines read like a who's who of FT BREEDERS (not just FT handlers who have a litter here and there, but BREEDERS who have a vision and have developed a line). Carol Andersen, Mario Beauregard, Linda Harger, have all used various dogs/bitches from "different" lines to build their bloodlines, and continue to do so. Some of these efforts are more successful than others, but it takes guts, and a willingness to experiment, to become a true BREEDER, not just a guy who follows the crowd. Jim Fitzsimmons said something to the effect that if a guy is going to pay $200 for a pup, then he shoul reduce his risk mas much as possible. True. But there is no law that says a pup must cost $2000! There are lots of nice, talented dogs in this breed (I believe), that cost far less than that. All they need is someone with the vision, talent, and GUTS to take them home, raise them up right, get them the right education, and see what shakes out! Heck, for that same $2000, I can buy 4 puppies, weed out 3, and still be ahead of the game, genetically! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Non-chessie in bad home question, Therese Terschuren, klassicaljazzREMOVE@netzero.com, September 10, 2006 at 08:26:32 A friend of mine yesterday was telling me how he had sold his lab to a man whom he thought was a good person and would take good care of his dog. At the time my friend thought this man would be better for his dog since he had a family and my friend lives alone. It had been a hard decision, but he thought it would be best for his dog. Now he found out differently. He just now found out that the man has been neglecting his dog...not giving him any shots or heartworm protection or flea and tick protection. Also he man never told him that he had an 8 year old son who is bi-polar. He found out the the boy had harrassed the lab so much that it had caused him to bit his son on the lip requiring stitches.. So now my question... he told me had had contacted the Omaha animal protection but they said that since the man lived out of the city limits, they had no jurisdiction. So what else can he do? He is devastated and is considering just going and "getting" his dog forcibly. I told him that I thought he might then be arrested himself. Therese ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: How long has the guy had the dog?, Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 10, 2006 at 10:33:50 I guess I would try going over there with a check for what the guy paid for the dog and telling him I just miss the dog too much, can I buy him back. Most people won't be able to walk away from cash. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 10, 2006 at 12:26:57 I guess I should rank up there with "anyone" huh LOL I am past the name, naming stage and honestly I am so sick and tired of the show vs field vs anything threads that this will my last reply on the subject...I have far better things to do with my time like spending it with and training my dawgs! The last time I looked there are THREE dedicated FT people here in Colorado. I recently became the RD here. So, who in Colorado (that play the FT game and only visits the board to disagree) are willing to help me put on training days and get others interested in your game? I sincerely hope I am wrong, however, the number of positive replies I get back will prove how FT people are not only "going about" ruining the interest in, but, integrity of the FT CBR. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: I'm not dumbing down anything..., night train, xver35REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 10, 2006 at 12:42:04 Donna, What do you mean, a dog that questions? What kind of questions are they asking you? You are ignorant if you believe all Chesapeakes are a challenge. They are not, they should be easy to train for anything. It absolutely blows me away that people accept these ridiculus concepts and negative steroetypes that surround our breed. Now, because so many actually believe this crap they become entitled to breed dogs that are a challenge, thus fullfilling the stereotypes. When non-chesapeake people describe our breed the words challenging and independent are often used, and not in a positive manner. Those are polite words to describe dumb, won't listen, doesn't care and out of control. I've been around the "independent" Peake. They are just a joy, running all over hell looking for birds out of gun range, not coming back until they are done hunting. They are even more of a joy in the neighborhood, tearing down the block in pursuit of anything they want and bringing back the neighbors trash to your porch so everyone on the block knows who is the guilty party. I don't deny these dogs exist but they don't have to and certainly should not be bred. Many people might not know this but there are Chesapeakes out there like JJ describes. Easy to train, wonderful house pets that can be trusted and appreciated in any endeavor and will do what you ask of them. This is what the average Joe wants. No 2x4 needed. Scott ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , night train, xver35REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 10, 2006 at 13:26:41 Susie, I think your count of FT people is much too high. I only count 1 and he has done much for the field training and WD program in Colorado in the past. He has tried, judged, competed, brought birds, shown up to support those competing in FT and hunt tests and has done so with little support and thanks. However, your statement "sincerely hope I am wrong, however, the number of positive replies I get back will prove how FT people are not only "going about" ruining the interest in, but, integrity of the FT CBR. " is off base. I don't know how the lack of repsonse you get from 1 person is ruining the integrity of the FT CBR. Especially when he has already tried to do what you are attempting. Nonetheless, you have my support and I will do what I can as long as my work schedule allows. That is a 50% positive response from past and current colo FT enthusiasts, and that is a 50% improvement over the support I ever received from the Colorado show people when I was running FT's. PS It wasn't me that brought up the show and FT thing, I just merely asked someone to support what they wrote. Scott ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Trainability - What Is It?, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 13:34:54 that is great response, being a KPT instructor and a breeder, the chessie to me is one of the easiest breeders to train. They are like a little sponge. I have also found the breed to be "what's in it for me", for a piece of hot dog, tennis ball, or bumper they will do ANYTHING. I also love this breed becasue it remembers everything you teach them, which also means do not make any mistakes. I have found mistakes the hardest thing to correct in this breed. give me a CBR puppy any day in KPT, they will always graduate #1 in their class. Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 13:45:15 I guess I am the last person anybody wants to hear from on this subject, but I know that Christy and Ray Gonzales who are show people are up and coming in the field trails. They have been running their dogs, owner trained and handled. I think they are between puppies for the derby this year, but have one in Puppy Stakes, they did have one last year at the national out of so called show lines that placed in the Derby. So they are out there, but it is up to the old time field people to mentor and bring the new people up. I know that Mike Moscowitz received little encouragement from local field and RD with Murray, but did that stop him NO. So now he has Murray and Larry his son who are doing wonderful and making this breed proud as a "dual" dog along with Ray and Christy Gonzales. So lets get the field people to do some mentoring. It would be nice like in the old days to have the field people training and running their own dogs, but with today's life style, means of training this has made it difficult. Many today living up north are using pro trainers so that their dogs can get trained 12 months a year. ok go ahead, flame away what else is new Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 13:48:12 yes Joyce you and Jeff are one of the few out there working both your show and field lines in both. it is hard for people today to take off the time for travel and running dogs. keep up the great work, Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Field Peakes, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 14:01:57 and I totally agree with you Lisa, too many MH dogs and some with QAA are ignored. Especially the ones that were owner/trained/handled maybe they don't have the high coverage of a AFC or FC dog There are several i am personally looking at for breeding myself we have to be opened minded. I am reading an intersting book that was recommended to me "Handling Your Own Dog" By Martha Covington Thorne, 1979. some of it may be a little outdated but it covers handling your dog in all events. Some of her comments and coverage on the Chessie is pretty amazing, in fact, total shock. As the Historian I am trying to read everybook I can get my fingers on the breed. I want to thank Sue Keroack, a dear and special friend, for recommending this book. Those of you who dont' know Sue Keroack, you are missing out knowing who I consider one of the most knownable people in the breed, and she isn't running her dogs in field but has some of the best hunting dogs on the east coast. you don't have to prove your dog can hunt in a blind by running field trials. Field trials are an event not a way of life for the original duck hunters. and Keith Carlson need not reply to my posts. Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Average Joe Dog Owner Perspective, Joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 14:08:40 you are so correct and hit the nail on the head Paul, most of our puppies go to loving family homes. I encourage all my puppy people to get involved from day 1, push them to take obedience classes, then they find agility and etc to have fun with their puppies. we do need more Chessie Fun Days I totally agree, we can only hope that we can get them going in all areas. Joanne Back from Vacation ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: I'm not dumbing down anything..., joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 14:17:02 A lab might be easier to train, although I have yet to have a lab puppy in KPT that is easier to train then a Chessie. Most labs can't concentrate on more than one thing for a second. The chessie being smarter, picks up immediately, pays attention and looks into your eyes, remembers, and can multi task, So there is no comparison Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: How about driven? are off the wall? Disagree again., joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 14:19:08 there are still no guarantees Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: The Dead Horses, joanne, silvercreekREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 14:26:22 I loaded up the dead horse and I am on my way somebody left it here while I was on vacation Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Anyone shipped a dog to Australia?, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 10, 2006 at 14:29:11 I have shipped several to England which is similar, the dog has to be about a year old before you can ship, and by then it is expensive. you can go on the USDA website for all the info, then decide if you want to do it and then advise the person of all the expenses. Molly Baker in England ships to Australia all the time I would contact Molly Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** I'd pay double , Kath, koldingREMOVE@aptalaska.net, September 10, 2006 at 15:21:54 to get my dog back if I had to......... THAT usually works for people who want money........ ***************** End Of Article ****************** Kath Oldings Hunter--longcoated Chessie, Jayne Bennett, jayne.bennettREMOVE@verizon.net, September 10, 2006 at 16:26:57 Kath asked me to post this picture of Hunter, one of the pups from her last litter. Isn't he gorgeous? http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/jaynebennett/Hunterlonghairedchessie.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Just try asking...., Pete, petenrepREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 10, 2006 at 16:57:23 I'd just call up or stop by and say "I didn't know I'd miss the dog so much--" That may be all the new owner needs to give him up. After all, the dog's a lot of work AND it bit his kid. Your friend shouldn't let on that he knows about any of the other stuff, just ask for the dog. If the guy hesitates, then he can offer cash. I think I'd wonder about somebody who showed up with the checkbook TOO ready, if you know what I mean. The thing about Animal Control is that lack of flea or heartworm protection or having a bi-polor child are not grounds for seizing an animal. He needs to take the high road, I bet it will work. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: What do I personally look for?, Dana G, browndogs3@comcast.netREMOVE, September 10, 2006 at 17:01:32 Granted, it's best to be able to observe pups over an extended period of time, but the thing I like to look for is the pup with a very intelligent, somewhat "intense" look to their eyes. If they're always carrying something around in their mouth - big plus! You know, the pup who looks into your eyes and you can see that there's someone home behind their eyes. The one that is eagerly looking like they're trying to figure out just what you want them to do, so they can please you and make you happy. I adore these pups! Plus they should be pretty bold and not easily frightened. On some Golden Retreiver puppy aptitude test thingamabob that I've used (I'm sure you can find it if you goggle it), it's been a while, but I believe they usually rate like a 3. The higher #s can be too dominant/obstinate and will need more "convincing" if you know what I mean :-) and the lower #s I believe would just be too soft for my personality. For me, even though these pups can be (ahem) "trying" at times because of their intelligence, they have proven to be very, very trainable, and very enjoyable! Dana ***************** End Of Article ****************** thankyou Jayne !, Kath, koldingREMOVE@aptalaska.net, September 10, 2006 at 17:07:04 Yes..this is Hunter.. brother of Britt and Grendl and Ridge and River. There was one other long coat in that litter..a light brown almost DG female that had a fluffy coat.. so much so people said she looked like a sheep when she grew up. I never did get to see what she looked like. I only had Hunter till he was 5.5 months old when I gave him to the guy who had purchased Grendl from me. So at a 1.5-2 yrs old Hunters coat had lengthened and was in beautiful ringlets that hung long but not too long. He had feathering on his legs that were ringlets and of course his ear feathering was all ringlets. He looked just like Grendl in conformation ..stocky big boned and not too tall.. about 23" at the shoulders. So the compact body and cute coat made him cuddly. :c) I dont know if Hunter exists any more.. being Grendl and Britt are 11 now.. he would be also if he was still alive. Thanks again Jayne for doing that for me. I appreciate that a lot. Kath ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: agreed, Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 10, 2006 at 17:58:40 Part of getting things done is having people who are willing to work with you and have confidence in you. They may not always agree-Jo Ann & I agree to disagree and believe me, she makes up her own mind (I know JoAnn has been "warned" about Dyane's influence-which I laugh at I wish I had as much influence as I am rumored to have.) You have to be willing to make the tough choices, the tough decisions and be fair, consistent and apply things equally to all. Hopefully the members give JoAnn a chance to try and do this. Dyane ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 10, 2006 at 18:45:36 Kerrie didn't say she believed either end (show or FT)was right. She just stated what she has read. So your question isn't really relevent to her query to people.She is simply asking what it means to each person since she has heard both comments. Presevering the integrity of the breed- breeding for a healthy dog with a good temperament (for without that no matter how talented/trainable, the dog is worthless); a dog that looks like the dog described in the standard (not one as I was once told by a field trialer in an interview series I did-"I don't care if they have three legs, a curled tail or masked like a bandit as long as they will run and win at trials"; a dog who loves the water & birds; a dog thay is willing to train and a dog that still retains the love and affection of and to its owner; who is intelligent and sensible in nature; who protects its "home" with intimidation first and more if not taken seriously; a dog with physical toughness but mentally resilent, not soft. I agree with Lisa that too much FT breeding except for a handful of people is focused on titles and an ever smaller and less diverse pedigree lineage. As she points out (and it is well documented in genetics, the more inbred, the less fertility and vigor-both mentally and physically), if you are breeding for FT, you need to use dogs that have are Ch/MH or ** with Ch background on occasion. I think Kathy Miller pointed out the Meadowood dogs-her Rusty's litter with Sylvia's Willow produced several MH dogs-George's Brave is Ch MH UD ** (talk about trainability). Quite a nice accomplishment and message about the dogs. And in the end, the breed is a hunting dog not a FT dog. The original trials were more like hunting than now. Tony Bliss, jr. one of the leading proponents of field trials in the 30's wrote against speed (intense style)in retrievers. If titled parents were all that it took, we should have more FT titled dogs. FT titled dog takes good training and an owner believing in his dog and dedicated to pursuing the FC or AFC goal. Many of our titled dogs come from non-titled parents-some with significant conformation breeding close up. It does not mean that those dogs who do not title or only are hunting dogs are not dual. The breed's ability to work is dependent on the breath of its dogs & pedigrees not as much on its depth. I am not going to argue or engage in a debate. Good dogs come from good breeders. Dyane ***************** End Of Article ****************** kenosha k.c., Lynn Kapus, kadondogs@REMOVEsbcglobal.net, September 10, 2006 at 20:01:29 Does anyone have the results for the supported entry at Kenosha? Lynn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Support what I wrote? Scott, , kerrie, chesapeakebayretrieverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 10, 2006 at 20:28:07 You need to reread my post. And then read Dyane's as she explains exactly what I was stating. I was not saying anything negative about field trialers or about conformation folks. I was stating that THEY knock eachother - again, please reread my post. You lost the context there buddy... :o) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Case in Point, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 10, 2006 at 21:48:17 I just received this e-mail today from a fellow who has two of my chessies previously, one who would be 17 if the dog were still alive today, and the younger one who just died at17. He writes: "We are interested in another Chessie. Please remember, I am looking for a family friend/companion, not a show dog. He will live in our home, which has small children coming and going all the time. I prefer a male (will be neutered), color will not matter. If you allow me to have one of your puppies, I will forward the deposit, in the next few days, to reserve the puppy. When are puppies expected?" Nothing more to say! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: kenosha k.c., Chris Rosenberg, bluemoonchesapeakesREMOVE@wi.rr.com, September 11, 2006 at 04:18:42 I only have Saturdays results. The Sunday results were not available when I went to mark my catalogue. I'll post them when I get them. Saturday Sept. 9, 2006 Sweeps Judge- Lori Grootemaat Best in Sweeps-Sandbar's Three Wishes Breeder/ owner-Diane Baker and Fred Konrad (Ch Marnetts Grant My Wish UDX RE JH/ CH Sandbar's Laugh Traxx) BOS Sweeps-Wingmasters I'm playing the Game Breeder Kirk Sorenson& Stephanie Sorenson& Loura Waid Owner Hunter Sorenson/Kirk Sorenson/ Stephanie Sorenson (CH Chester River's Captain Moe/ CH Chesh'Shores Duck Dog Wingmaster Judge Mr. Carl Liepman 6-12-5-4 BOB/G2- CH Wyndhams Valor Breeder Edward Atkins Owner Btyan Mueller&JeriAnn Rowe& Mary Kraus&Diane Ramsey (Harley D Gunners Mate / Wyndams Pagosa Polly) BOS- CH Red Sky's Keppin The Faith Breeder/ Owner Daniel Peterson (CH Anubis Master Chief & Red Skys Autumn Breeze JH) WD/BW- Sandbar's Three Wishes WB- Wingmasters I'm Playing the Game RWD- Sandbar's Inside Trader Breeder/Owner Diane Baker/Fred Konrad (CH Sandbar's Stock Exchange/ Sandbars Just the Facts) RWB- Rippling Waters Seabiscuit JH Breeder/Owner Kathleen & Alan Luthy (CH Rippling Waters Flash Gordon MH & CH Rippling Waters Sea Sprite CD MH) Congratulatuins to all the winners and Thank You to all those who participated and shared our Lunch and bought tickets for the Raffle. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mea culpa..., Rick Hall, halloutdoorsREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 11, 2006 at 04:38:52 I've heard and read all manner of stuff about Chesapeake train-ability - and probably parroted too much of it based on second hand information and casual observation. And the current youngster is just the third Chessie I've trained. But danged if I've found mine train appreciably different than any of the other breeds I've made gun dogs of. Every dog I've owned has been an individual in some senses and fit a general "dog" mold in others. And always, always, always, no matter the breed: when hardheadedness has shown its sorry self, it's turned out to be mine. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Exactly!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 05:17:37 "So lets get the field people to do some mentoring." This is the piece of the puzzle that is missing. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rats!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 05:19:44 "Keith Carlson need not reply to my posts." And I was sooo looking forward to administering CPR to THAT particular dead horse! NOT! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Help Wanted, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 05:23:17 Any designers out there? I am noodling over different ideas for ramping up the ACC Statistics, and would like to pick the brains of a software developer. I think it would be kewl beans to put the stats on the web, but only know enough code to get myself into deep doo-doo. I know there are some wonderfully talented folks out there. Drop me a note in private and lets' kick some ideas around! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Need advice from new parents. Dog/baby question. (longer than my 3 paragraph rule! :), Traci C, t-cahillREMOVE@sbcglobal.net, September 11, 2006 at 07:21:35 Nope, I haven't had the baby yet. Still got till December. But, just had a baby shower last night. Ok, I'll state right up front - I think I've created a monster! :) Jake loves stuffed toys. Sure he likes a Nylabone too, but he loves his stuffed hedgehog and octopus. For the last couple years he's finally quit destroying them, so they last decently long. I came home last evening with all my baby loot. We unpacked it all so Tom could look at it. Jake totally freaked out by the stuffed yellow duck that vibrated and quacked when you pulled the string. Actually there are lots of baby toys now with the pull-string vibrating thing. I could tell that even though Jake was scared/excited about this strange toy, he still thought of it as "his". We put all the stuff away in the baby's room and put them up on shelves. This morning I'm going to get dressed and there is Jake, planted right in front of the shelves staring at the stuffed toys! So, what's the best solution? I can't see me taking away Jake's stuffed toys, so then all stuffed toys are now the baby's only. I don't see Jake ever forgetting that he used to get them and still wants them! Should I just try to really separate and teach him "Jake's toy" and "Baby's toy"? And how would I go about it. I'm also thinking that I need to start playing all these toys as I get them, to get him somewhat used to it. Like once we get the swing, get it going with the bells & whistles from time to time. Try to get him used to all the noise and lights that come with kids toys. Because he got a little crazy when that duck started quacking. Any advice is welcome! We've still got a few months, so I have time to put things in motion that will help with the transition. Traci ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: I'm not dumbing down anything..., Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 11, 2006 at 08:14:50 I never said the CBR wasn't easy to train. I said they are challenging. I don't consider this a negative. Each one has been an individual. For me they are not like other dogs. Most other breeds are very happy to do what is asked of them, for no other reason than because you asked. As Joanne said, the CBR always asks what's in it for them. My first CBR taught me patience. She refused to work when she sensed me getting frustrated with her. I never said they were dumb, didn't listen or didn't care. My dogs are very well behaved and actually listen quite well. No 2x4 was needed. I don't know when independent became a negative, but I don't consider it to be one. ***************** End Of Article ****************** AKC Responsible Dog Ownership Day, JoAnn Colvin, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 11, 2006 at 08:18:47 I posted this to the ACC list, but many of you are not on that list.So if you've seen this before...sorry! Yesterday my all breed club held our 4th annual AKC Responsible Dog Ownership Day. What fun! We had tables set up with all kind of info supplied from AKC. We had helium balloons for the kids and candy, stickers, pencils, and prizes. There were a dozen or more breeds represented as well as even a very attractive Chessie rescue booth. The best part was a "kiddie" parade. Kids could bring their own dogs, but for those who were dogless, club members supplied willing canines. I can't describe the delight of one little boy in a wheelchair, completely non-verbal who broke into the hugest smile and laughed out loud as he paraded around the ring with two St. Beernards. Or the little boy with an artificial leg who did a fine job of walking a Pomeranian named Devil, who was! I was thinking why couldn't parent clubs do something like this. It would be a great RD activity, a meet the breed day or tie in with a local kennel club and solicit other breeds to attend also. So easy to do. Just a few hours. AKC supplies all printed material and other items to give away. Just need some trinkets, snacks and a few tables and xpens. And the plus side is that the club gets recognition from AKC for participating. Something to think about. JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Need advice from new parents. Dog/baby question. (longer than my 3 paragraph rule! :), Paul K, pdkelly601REMOVE@comcast.net, September 11, 2006 at 08:30:39 Congratulations! We just celebrated my son's 1st birthday. Our chessie, Storm, was about 1 yr old when our son was born. Here's some random thoughts based on my recent experience. Baby toys are very tempting -- they rattle, squeek, etc.. Probably, none of what we did was necessary, but didn't require much effort either so who knows if it made any difference. As we were getting ready, we put all baby stuff in the nursery bedroom and Storm was not allowed in. We set up everything ike I'm sure you are doing now and made it clear baby's rooms is off limits. Sometimes, we would leave a few tempting baby items out -- so Storm could be correcting for messing with what's not his (just like we did with shoes, socks, etc.) Also had a baby doll that made crying noises and put it in the swing and taught Storm to stay away from swing. We would put the doll in the crib, carry him around, etc. But also, with permission, let Storm sniff baby doll, walk in baby's room (put baby powder scents, etc.). Storm doesn't really bother baby's stuff because, well - it's easy to correct him, because he's always supervised around baby. Once, Storm picked up a pacifier I dropped on the floor and was running around with it in his mouth (just like a baby would hold it). It was the most ridiculous sight to see and I regret no photo. Recently, Storm started to eye up a ball and stuffed toy in a wagon in the living room, but with a simple verbal reminder (uh uh), he stopped. People say to bring baby's hat or blanket from the hospital, etc so dog can smell. Personally, I didn't allow Storm near baby much -- no need to. Also changed where/how Storm rides in the car (before baby arrived). Some say, any changes in the dog's routine, where he is allowed to go, etc. -- make before baby arrives. I did use a big comforter to make it easy for baby to play on the floor (to cover the cat and dog hair on the rug). Cleaner and never know about allergies. If you have carpet in baby's room and pets have been in there, I'd replace it. Also used a HEPA air filter in baby's room and in the main room of the house. After seeing all the dust it collected I'm glad we got them -- Sears Kenmore brand -- works great. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Derby is a trial stake for dogs under 2 yrs of age - , Mike Hafley, mrchessieREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 08:42:25 In my 20yrs in pro training. Most( I said most not all) Chesapeakes just don't make good derby dogs. Especially when they are spread out all over the country. I have a couple of dogs we could run,but Oregon is out of the question for me. That may be why it's hard sometimes filling a field at a specialty. Chesapeakes generally mature to slow to make derby dogs I said gernerally not the rule. They will not take the training most young labradors willin a short amount of time. I have had very few chesapeakes that were good derby dogs,but made nice qual and all age dogs. One more thing about the set-ups I've run triples and have run retired guns in the derby also. So it's not just doubles. Just my two cents on the subject. Mike ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Great advice, one more thing..., Donna , staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 11, 2006 at 09:09:39 The same way the baby's things are off limits to the dog, should work in reverse once baby starts crawling etc. Boundaries are important, so the dog has his own toys, beds etc. that are off limits to the baby. On a side note, very close friends of ours just had a their first child. They were over with the baby and she started fussing, it was dinner time. So mom was making the bottle and apparently my Lily thought it was taking much too long. She came to get mom twice, as if to say "Um helloo...baby crying". Then she stood a attention until the baby calmed down. Once she did, Lily lay down at mom's feet quite content. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Exactly! - This is the piece of the puzzle that is missing, jnorris-cbrmac , jnorrisREMOVE@compri.com, September 11, 2006 at 09:17:55 I would not really agree that "This is the piece of the puzzle that is missing." 'Field' people are mentoring. As everyone knows, training for FT or even HT takes alot of time. I have found if it's something you want to do, "YOU" have to take the initiative and contact 'field' people and ask to train with them, etc. And yes, most are very nice and willing to help, you just have to ask. So, I think 'field people' are willing to mentor and are doing it, 'YOU'just have to ask. I know a handful of very experienced 'field' people who are very willing to talk on the phone and/or via email. I've done it. (ie - Keith Carlson, Bill Burks, Steve Parker, Mike Hafley, Carol Anderson,......) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Great advice, one more thing..., Paul K, pdk1006REMOVE@comcast.net, September 11, 2006 at 09:36:17 True for us too. Storm would get very excited when our baby son cried and would insist on our attention, for example when baby was waking up crying. I do repeatedly break one boundary though, letting Storm clean up dropped food on the floor around the high chair. Saves me from sweeping! But I think Storm and our son have some kind of side deal, because baby will drop his food repeatedly when dog is in sight. The cat also helps clean up but only likes fruit. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Help Wanted, V Mercer, nshoreREMOVE@mnsi.net, September 11, 2006 at 10:09:34 "To err is human. To really screw up you need a computer." - Dilbert I'd be happy to help. I emailed you privately. Veronica ***************** End Of Article ****************** Position appointment, Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 11, 2006 at 10:10:30 ACC Members, Since Melissa mentioned that the AKC representative position was open,I inquired of a Board member today if they thought I should look into it. Imagine my surprise when I learned that a person's name had ALREADY been forwarded to the Board for voting on tonight!!!! Someone who already will hold two other major positions as of Oct 1. Since the availability of the position was not made KNOWN to the membership until less than 2 weeks ago; 2) with an election for president, this appointment should be in the hands of whoever wins. This appointment should be withdrawn until after October 01. So candidates, Angie & JoAnn what do you both think ? Well, I guess all of the recent posts were all lip service-asking for members' input, etc. etc. Reminds me of the Pa legislature that voted themselves a pay raise in the middle of the night and at the end of the term. Voters got even and turned out a number of them next election. And ACC members, if YOU think this appointment at this time is inappropriate call or email the Officers & Board members ASAP and let them know how you feel. The Board meeting is tonight so let your thoughts be known. Things like this are the REASON there is currently an election in the club. Melissa Schumann grizzlypeake@myawai.com 303-646-1118 John Nichols nichols.john@epa.gov 218-834-3197 Sherry Massey shilo@iquest.net 765-643-1814 Mike Pickett gichessies@webtv.net 803-345-9562 Angie Cox chesacola@aol.com 901-872-2490 Kim Forhart kforhart@filenet.com 206-463-9545 David Miller ILikeIke@comcast.net 253-584-6445 Mark Cantor baydog2000@comcast.net 845-878-4729 Maggie Hoagland atnorthcreek@aol.com 610-388-6332 Dyane Baldwin ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Exactly! - This is the piece of the puzzle that is missing, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 11, 2006 at 10:22:05 lets hope they do and that they will mentor at the Nationals this month. but I agree with Lisa more mentoring has to be done on all levels no matter what the event is in order to get new people involved I have found that sometimes people are afraid to approach some of the big time people in any event feeling that they won't take the time. I never see certain people on the message boards. I know that sometimes it is difficult to find the time to go on these boards and reach out to people. So maybe they could pick a day to go on a board and see if newbies are looking for some advise. However, a certain person you listed only knocks and critizes people, to my knowledge has never encouraged anyone to get started. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Support what I wrote? Scott, , joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 11, 2006 at 10:30:48 the conformation people to my knownledge don't knock the field people, in fact they are the group that bands together for the field people when they are looking to dual CH a dog. We enter dogs to help build the points, majors, and assist on showing their dogs for them. I agree Dyane and several people were headed in the right direction on your legitimate question and we had better all get along and band together otherwise there will be no field events or breeding if PETA, Doris Day, and HSUS have their way. The field people will find themsevles importing dogs from foreign countries or getting their puppies on the black market. I think this dead horse has been beaten long enough and people should stick to original topics instead of immediately causing a civil war. ***************** End Of Article ****************** thank you Dyane and I totally agree , joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 11, 2006 at 10:37:40 and I am sitting here with I Dream of Jeannie who is Murray's mother. Jeannie loves to retrieve and hunt but never really had the chance to run the WD's and hunt tests. That was my fault not finding the time to get her out to run. Yet her mother, children and grandchildren have with ease. ok Bob you can stop laughing now about Jeannie Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ooops...., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 10:39:31 the second 17 should have been 11! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Exactly! - This is the piece of the puzzle that is missing, jnorris-cbrmac , jnorrisREMOVE@compri.com, September 11, 2006 at 11:05:56 "I have found that sometimes people are afraid to approach some of the big time people in any event feeling that they won't take the time." - can't fault 'field' people for that "I never see certain people on the message boards." - I can't really blame people for that. With all the misunderstandings that happen with 'internet chat'. "However, a certain person you listed only knocks and critizes people, to my knowledge has never encouraged anyone to get started." - quite obvious you are referring to Keith Carlson. How do you know he has never encouraged anyone to get started. Just because you had a huge 'blowout' with him, that's quite an assumption to make by just using what happened on this board between you and him to come to that conclusion. I actually know for a FACT he gets frequently emailed from people that only post on this board. ***************** End Of Article ****************** This post is pathetic, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 11, 2006 at 11:19:55 And to think I actually used to enjoy ole KC & the Sunshine Band's posts. But lately his posts including this one are so bitter and full of vitriol it's hard to take them or him seriously. I told myself when he vociferously trashed my Puffin/Dance litter on the internet I would refrain from responding to any of his posts but I'm going to break that silence today. RE the Utah numbers: What would be wrong with simply stating the encouraging numbers, why not leave the rest of it out? And besides the anti-show vitriol we have this tired ole song...get out the violin.... "I have an AA dog and you don't" (::insert eye roll emoticon here::) this is encouraging to newbies, how? Keith CArlson may be a perfectly nice guy but no one would ever know it by his posts on the board--and by the way that QAA dog he brags about owning? Ask him who trained it/ran it to that status, cause it wasn't him, he bought her that way. Sounds like he's got a nice pup--well, I do too and so do some other people and right now I'm sure mine looks just as much like it could be an FC/AFC as his does. Oh and a few others of that breeding he was so scathing about happen to think the same thing. ANd for him it's not enough to promote the nice breedings he and those few in his inner sanctum have done. He has to trash other dogs and handlers in the process--this I truly don't get, but I guess it makes him feel better. Top titled dogs, I might add, whose owners have never been anything but encouraging to new people who want to start out. How, I ask, does this help the breed or encourage more people to try what is in essence a long, hard, lonely road? And oh yes, I've heard ole KC tried to have a training day and no one but John Norris came...now I think I know why. What I really don't get (nor do I care)is the venom and lies he spews forth whenever my or my dogs' name is mentioned since really, in the big scheme of things I'm just a nobody who loves the breed and wants others to enjoy their dogs also. BUt it's kind of funny that he puts forth so much effort in the "hate Julie" campaign--I'd think that time and energy would be better spent training his own dogs. You do not encourage people to put forth that extra effort that field training takes by trashing them (and/or their dogs) for their chosen pursuit and in fact by finger pointing and name calling you make the breed look bad and for that YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED. My feeling is...if they show, they're already a little more motivated than 90 percent of the dog owners out there so they're good candidates to come to training days and perhaps try some HTs. What's wrong with a WD or JH or even a puppy stakes? We all have to start somewhere. The biggest detriment IMO is so few people hunt anymore, especially young people so you have to get them out and see how the dog comes alive when it picks up a duck for the first time--even if it takes 45 min. of teasing and creativity to get it to pick up a duck! We had 2 dozen, mostly beginners here last year at the first ACC field day. This one that's next Sunday, should be even better and we have a real "all star" line up of help including people who have done their own training to MH, QAA, AFC and National Finalist, and those that have bred them. Yet prbably well over half the dogs attending will never even have seen, let alone picked up a duck and their owners have never touched a gun. Now how willing do you think they'd be to travel in some instances from 5 states away if they were trashed and made to feel stupid because they don't hunt, hunt test or field trial? Or heaven forbid, they've actually shown their dog???? Or because some of the people that will be here have actually had all age dogs which most of these attendees never will? I think Kent put it best when he said that the dogs wouldn't be anything if the PEOPLE do not get out and train them so field, show or nothing breeding, any one of this year's crop of pups could have what it takes but only a tiny fraction will get a chance to try. For that we need to encourage the PEOPLE. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Exactly! - This is the piece of the puzzle that is missing, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 11, 2006 at 11:32:54 then I guess he has volunteered to work the national in Colorado for 2008, we will need help at the WD and his mentoring would be greatly appreciated there too. I know that he is on the other retriever message board we don't see him on this one that much since the so called "blow up" that I did not start so I am glad to hear that he has it in his heart to mentor people, ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: This post is pathetic, jnorris-cbrmac , jnorrisREMOVE@compri.com, September 11, 2006 at 11:44:10 "Ask him who trained it/ran it to that status, cause it wasn't him, he bought her that way." - Keith currently has 2 QAA dogs. Yes, one he did not train, and Keith has NEVER said otherwise or even 'hinted' that they were both trained by him. The other one, he did train himself. Also, your statement - "I have an AA dog and you don't". Keith does not do this. Actually, quite the opposite. "when he vociferously trashed my Puffin/Dance litter on the internet" - Julie, c'mon you're not innocent here either. You did quite a 'bashing' on RTF on his dog's line as well. "What I really don't get (nor do I care)is the venom and lies he spews forth whenever my or my dogs' name is mentioned since really, in the big scheme of things I'm just a nobody who loves the breed and wants others to enjoy their dogs also." Julie, you are just as 'guilty' with the "venom and lies" with THIS post. So, two wrongs make a right?!?! Bottom line, this post is NOT to get in an agrument with you. BRAVO and KUDO'S to you for putting on the training days. John Norris ***************** End Of Article ****************** This is important, Dyane, JoAnn Colvin, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 11, 2006 at 11:52:27 This is precisely why I advocate publishing meeting agendas before the meetings so that members have a chance for input. And it only seems fair that if a position exists, that it should be put before the membership with enough time for the members to respond if interested. Otherwise there is the appearance that the person is already chosen and there was no need for others to apply. I would also think that no matter who is elected in the upcoming elections, that major club business should wait until the new board and officers are seated. Not in the last two weeks remaining in the term of office of the current officers and board. So much for communication!! Members need to let their board members know how they feel about this. Unfortunately there are only a few hours to respond, but an email can be sent in an instant. JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Show Results from Redwood Empire KC (Northern California), Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 11:54:25 Saturday, 9/9/2006 # of entries: 2-6-(3-0) Judge: Dr. Sylvia J. Kerr BOB & GROUP 3rd: CH.* REDLION'S WESTERN WISHES CGC (Ch. Chesarab Force of the Jedi x Redlion's Revenge Is So Sweet). Breeder, Jane Pappler & Jean Gilmore. Owner, Sylvia Holderman. Handler, David Holderman. BOS: CH. SILVERCREEK'S LA MARIPOSA SAGO JH (Ch. Chesany Summerduck Soaring Eagle x Ch. Silvercreek Moonlighting). Breeders, Joanne & Stan Silver. Owners Christy Gonzalez, Joanne Silver & Ray Gonzalez. Handler, Christy Gonzalez. BOW/WB: DESERT WINDS WHOZ YOUR DADDY (Ch. Chesabars Dzrt Wnds Tuk"R Two x Chesabars Morgan of Dsrt Wnds). Breeder, Owner, Laurie Schisler. WD: DEL BRAVE CROSSFIRE HURRICANE (Ch. Meadowoods Quiet Riot NA NAJ CGC x Ch. Silvercreek Serena Del Brave CDX). Breeders, George Makatura & Joanne & Stan Silver. Owner, Kent Stokesberry. Handler, Catherine Collins. RWD: SANDY OAK TWIG WITH A TWIST (Ch.* Redlion's Western Wishes CGC x Ch. Sandy Oak Starlite Starbrite CGC). Breeder, owner, handler, Kathy Miller. ---------------------- Sunday, September 10, 2006 # of entries: 2-5-(3-2) Judge: Mr. Edward M. Gilbert BOB & GROUP 2nd: CH.* REDLION'S WESTERN WISHES CGC (See above for details). BOS: CH. DEL BRAVE RAISE THE FLAG (Ch. Meadowoods Home Of The Brave UD MH AX WDQ** x Little Lady Lillian). Breeders, Joe Thomas & Miranda Phillips. Owner, Handler, George Makatura. BOW/WD: DEL BRAVE CROSSFIRE HURRICANE (See above for details). WB: SANDY OAK STARLITE WISHES TT (Ch.* Redlion's Western Wishes CGC x Ch. Sandy Oak Starlite Starbrite CGC). Breeder, owner, handler (from BBE class), Kathy Miller RWB: DESERT WINDS WHOZ YOUR DADDY (See above for details). RWD: SANDY OAK TWIG WITH A TWIST (See above for details). CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE WINNERS! This was a 'home' show for us and it was a terrific weekend! The weather was beautiful, the company wonderful, the food cooked by the local Lion's club delicious, and the winning was nicely spread around. It was also very special for me to visit with Mandy (Miller) & her little (big) sister, Devon, who just showed up at ringside on Saturday -- it's the first time I've seen Mandy in long time. As many of you may recall Mandy used to show chessies with me as a Junior, so it was a truly memorable day. A huge congratulations to the Holderman's for two more BOB & group placements on their oustanding boy Twig. Much thanks to David Holderman for showing Annie for us when Catherine got caught in other rings. And, congratulations to Catherine who finished yet another Champion from the 9-12 puppy class with the lovely AmStaff bitch puppy she has been showing -- I think we figured out this is her 6th champion finish for this year! So, until next weekend.............. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** I totally agree! , Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 11:57:47 I've sent my e-mail! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Don't go overboard on air filtration!, Pete, petenrepREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 12:12:36 Wouldn't go overboard on the dust, air filter thing for baby's room. It's been pretty well documented that kids who grow up in environments with a moderate amount of dust, pet dander, and the like are FAR LESS LIKELY to develop asthma or allergies. Apparently kids brought up in hyperclean environments have immune systems that are too highly sensitized to airborne irritants. Life is full of surprises. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Don't go overboard on air filtration!, Traci C, t-cahillREMOVE@sbcglobal.net, September 11, 2006 at 12:29:51 Don't worry, I didn't intend to. :) While I like, and am grateful for most of Paul's advice, we all have to do things our own way. I agree with your statement that trying to keep a hyperclean environment in many ways is worse for your child than beneficial. (I'm not saying that was what Paul was advocating the "hyperclean environment".) Plus, we have two dogs and two cats, our kids are going to have to be immune! :) We have hardwood floors and keep things pretty swept up, so it's never out of control. Neither my husband or I have pet allergies, so we are hoping the baby should be good. Traci ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Position appointment, et. cetera..., Michele Anne Popp, waterwayschessiesREMOVE@comcast.net, September 11, 2006 at 12:31:20 Don't understand why anyone is surprised...this has pretty much been the way things have gone since I became a member, no matter who the Board had sitting on it at the time... As far as elections, I too agree that we should be given a SLATE of at least 2 approved candidates for each position open so that it is a TRUE election. All we do now, barring a situation where we have a petitioned candidate as in this time, is spend money for printing, postage and such to endorse the already-made decisions. My question about the nominating committee is this: if you have to be approved to be on it, and you have to approve people to be candidates, how do we ever get "new" blood in there??? It looks like a never-ending circle of people who choose people they know and on and on... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Don't go overboard on air filtration!, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 12:32:15 For whatever it's worth, my mother was a Registered Nurse, and was a germ freak. We were not allowed around animals, couldn't play in the dirt, always had to take a bath and/or wash our hands, etc. Well, I was sick, including viral pneumonia, at the age of 8 years old because of it, and still am highly susceptible to colds, bronchities, and things like that even now. My mother died when I was only 10 years old and the first thing my dad and his sister did for my brother and me was to get us a dog and a couple of cats, and by the age of 14 I was heavily into horses! Can't tell you how many times I've heard this from other people! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: I'm not dumbing down anything..., Mike Hafley, mrchessieREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 12:38:04 "Most labs can't concentrate on more than one thing for a second." Now that is funny "So there is no comparison" Now that is more funny How can a lab not multi-task and a Chesapeake can just wondering I see them multi-tasking everyday both breeds ***************** End Of Article ****************** No it's not....., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 12:38:31 I was shocked by the venomous posts that KC put on this board! And, I know that he has no interest in helping put on the WD at the 2007 National. We don't need people like this in the breed. He seems so taken with himself that he has no time to share his valuable information with anyone else who could benefit from his so-called knowledge. Makes me wonder just how much he really does know. Sadly, this thread will probably bring the man back to the board with more useless drivel! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Position appointment, Melissa, grizzlypeakeREMOVE@myedl.com, September 11, 2006 at 12:40:14 I sent this to Dyane directly, but thought I would get on this board and post here for everyone to see. Please, Dyane, before posting something so inflammatory to a public forum, get the facts straight. **There is no vote on the ACC AKC Delegate position during this evening's Board teleconference.** There is NO MOTION before the Board to vote or approve anyone yet - the Board member you spoke with gave you incorrect information and did not read/understand their mailing very well (have then look closely at the voting page - NOTHING on it about approving a Delegate). There is an appointment questionnaire included in the September mailing FOR DISCUSSION ONLY. Any interested parties may still inquire to the position and submit resumes, the Board has no intention of approving anyone until ALL those who have expressed interest have a chance to submit their information and resumes. I do not anticipate the Delegate position will be approved and filled for the next few months, most certainly by the next group of Officers and Directors. If anyone is interested in the Delegate position (or any other!), I am more than happy to forward the ACC appointment questionnaire form, please contact me directly. melissa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: How about driven? are off the wall? Disagree again., Mike Hafley, mrchessieREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 12:44:17 "all they want is pet that will bring back some ducks for them if they hunt or just be a buddy.' Wouldn't that statement make him a hunting dog????? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Field Peakes, Betsy, 8blackdogsREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 11, 2006 at 13:01:31 Are we not being a bit self righteous? We are responding from outsiders looking in - since we have taken such complete and absolute pleasure from owning our first Chessie - or should we say "Peake" - still don't have the lingo down - and look forward to titling her in both Show AND Field......this opinion of ours is coming from owners of 7 black dogs including a 2 X Natl Am Qualifier and Finalist (totally Am trained), a 2 year old presently running and highly competitive in Opens, multiple QAA's, one outstanding upland hunter which has failed 6 junior HT's, and one outstandingly cozy couch potato SH - with this I believe we speak from some "Field" experience! BTW - We are truly looking forward to meet our "New Chessie Friends" this weekend at the Redneck Riviera!!! Let the bottle rockets fly!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Field Peakes, Betsy, 8blackdogsREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 11, 2006 at 13:01:31 Are we not being a bit self righteous? We are responding from outsiders looking in - since we have taken such complete and absolute pleasure from owning our first Chessie - or should we say "Peake" - still don't have the lingo down - and look forward to titling her in both Show AND Field......this opinion of ours is coming from owners of 7 black dogs including a 2 X Natl Am Qualifier and Finalist (totally Am trained), a 2 year old presently running and highly competitive in Opens, multiple QAA's, one outstanding upland hunter which has failed 6 junior HT's, and one outstandingly cozy couch potato SH - with this I believe we speak from some "Field" experience! BTW - We are truly looking forward to meet our "New Chessie Friends" this weekend at the Redneck Riviera!!! Let the bottle rockets fly!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: No it's not....., jnorris-cbrmac , jnorrisREMOVE@compri.com, September 11, 2006 at 13:03:16 Wow Kathy! "We don't need people like this in the breed." - actually, yes we do! Do you actually know Keith? Have you ever met him? Other than the 'blowout' here on the board, have you had any interaction with Keith? The 'blowout' may have been enough for alot of people, but I can assure you, anyone on this board can benefit, from his, what you call "so-called knowledge" and it is not "useless drivel" ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Don't go overboard on air filtration!, tiffany, watchdogpsREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 13:11:59 I totally agree! Let kids eat a little dirt once in a while, it's good for em! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Position appointment, ginny reed, rovir4REMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 13:16:33 Looks like someone gave out the misinformation and again the pot gets stirred. Thanks to Melissa for clearing up the misinformation. I personally know there was more than one application in for the AKC delegate position. I know the ACC Board was just giving consideration at the teleconference tonight. One better reseach before they jump so quickly to conclusions. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: No it's not....., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 13:17:35 Nope, never met him and after reading everything he posted to this board sometime back, I have no interest in meeting him, as he left a bad taste in my mouth. Too bad too, because if he knows as much as he expounds, then he might be a person worth knowing. But his second impression left a lasting impression with me (and many others, I'm sure). enough said! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Thanks for posting this, Melissa..., Dana G, browndogs3@comcast.netREMOVE, September 11, 2006 at 13:18:26 It makes you realize how quickly and easily things can spiral out of control by a single person misunderstanding, and giving out incorrect information! Dana ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Field Peakes, jnorris-cbrmac , jnorrisREMOVE@compri.com, September 11, 2006 at 13:24:41 Are we not being a bit self righteous? We are responding from outsiders looking in - since we have taken such complete and absolute pleasure from owning our first Chessie - or should we say "Peake" - not exactly outsider's, since the "Peake" you own I am pretty sure was bought from Ms. Reardon. Folks, there is alot of the "kettle calling the pot black" going on here. Using 'internet chat' which can be interpreted several ways, in order have a way out - "that's not what I meant". Even if I disagree with someone, I would rather know exactly where they are coming from. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , night train, xver35REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 13:29:43 This was my response, "Kerrie, you stated "I have read multiple posts (here and elsewhere) from field trailers who say conformation folks are ruining the integrity of the breed. And, I've read conformation folks say the opposite - that field trialers are ruining the integrity of the breed." Kerrie, can you or anyone name me a Field trialer that is ruining the integrity of the breed and how they are going about it?? Thanks, Scott " I never said I thought she believed anything, I just asked her or anyone else to name me someone and how they are ruining the breed. I just like people, if they can, to substantiate a claim of what they may have heard or read. Kerrie may not know who said what, and that is fine, but I was just asking. I think it is important that people back up what they say or write. For instance, Dyane wrote: "I agree with Lisa that too much FT breeding except for a handful of people is focused on titles and an ever smaller and less diverse pedigree lineage. As she points out (and it is well documented in genetics, the more inbred, the less fertility and vigor-both mentally and physically), if you are breeding for FT, you need to use dogs that have are Ch/MH or ** with Ch background on occasion. I think Kathy Miller pointed out the Meadowood dogs-her Rusty's litter with Sylvia's Willow produced several MH dogs-George's Brave is Ch MH UD ** (talk about trainability). Quite a nice accomplishment and message about the dogs." Dyane, could you or anyone name the several MH's the breeding of Willow and Rusty produced? I only count 2, which is fantastic, but not several, which is more than 2. Also, this breeding has claimed to produce a All Age Qualified dog, can anyone produce this dog? We may, myself included, make mistakes in our understanding of a fact, we are human, that is why people should produce facts to back up a claim or if they can't, not write about it. Scott ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Mickey Thank you, thank you, thank you..., Donna , staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 11, 2006 at 14:11:12 I got so many personal emails from folks trying to "explain" things to me. Clearly you understood my point... HUGS! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Exactly why..., JoAnn, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 11, 2006 at 14:18:27 agendas should be publicly posted prior to meetings. Then there would be no "leaks" or errors. Everyone could make a comment if they so wished. And it could be done with no names if that is a concern. Just simply, Discuss application for the AKC Delegate Position. JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Don't go overboard on air filtration!, Paul K, pdk1006REMOVE@comcast.net, September 11, 2006 at 14:25:04 I do think that gradual exposure helps with Pets. I was very allergic to dogs in the past, would break out in rash but since having my own dog, those reactions eventually stopped. Research studies do show that children raised in multiple pet households are less likely to develop allergies. You're right, I wasn't advocating hyperclean -- which is impossible in most homes with children and/or pets. For me, the air filter (especially changing the air furnace filter on schedule) helps cut down on dirt/dust. Not stopping any disease/allergies there. But for asthma/allergy patients, air filters can help. Congrats Again!!! But one does have to be very careful with pets, feces, etc. not only your own home but especially in public areas. Handwashing is critical with very serious and common infant viruses -- rotavirus, RSV, etc. Handling raw meat safely is another important thing. Of course, while you're pregnant, you don't have to clean the kitty's litter box. The link below has a good summary of animal transmitted illnesses. http://kidshealth.org/teen/infections/fungal/pet_infections.html http://kidshealth.org/teen/infections/fungal/pet_infections.html ***************** End Of Article ****************** ::PHOTOS::, Chris, no925studiosREMOVE@ntelos.net, September 11, 2006 at 15:19:53 I am about to get a painting done of Gant... for his birthday (even though it's more of a gift to me). He turns one on the 21st of this month. If any of you have photos of your chessie at 1 yr. old and then between 4-6 yrs. old I would appreciate you posting them. I'm looking to see how much the way they look changes, as they get older. You can email them to me if you don't have a way to post them on the board. I have a meeting with the artist on the 14th. Thanks, Chris ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jessie: 6 weeks - 1 yr., kerrie, chesapeakebayretrieverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 11, 2006 at 15:34:45 http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/00cyrus00/jes.jpeg Jess http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/00cyrus00/jes.jpeg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jessie: 1 1/2 - 3 yrs. , kerrie, chesapeakebayretrieverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 11, 2006 at 15:36:03 http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/00cyrus00/jessiegrowth.jpg Jess 2 http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/00cyrus00/jessiegrowth.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Jessie: 3 1/2 yrs., kerrie, chesapeakebayretrieverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 11, 2006 at 15:39:49 http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/00cyrus00/1859.jpg Required if you enter a URL http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/00cyrus00/1859.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Tell me!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 16:03:13 I spent the entire day internet-less here at home. Have been having problems off and on for weeks. Then this morning, just as I was putting the final touches on my presentation for tomorrow, Fzzt! Down went the internet again. I spent all day trying different fixes. Jettisoned my firewall software. That wasn't it. Swapped out my modem. That wasn't it. Got an new USB cable for the modem. That wasn't it. Reformatted my hard drive and re-installed my OS. That wsasn't it. Finally called in the ISP technician. He couldn't figure it out. Cursing under my breath, I thanked him for his time and ushered him unceremoniously to the front door. Then I did everything all over again. Have no idea which/what finally did the trick, but I am back (for now). Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , George, brave@REMOVEcbrs4me.com, September 11, 2006 at 16:26:34 Scott, Dyane just quoted the word "several" from Kathy's post. To set the record straight, Brave is a CH/MH/UD/AX/WDQ** The ** for a JAM in one of a handful of Quals he entered before he retired. Although that JAM came before he was a MH. I haven't heard of anyone claiming there was a QAA dog from the RustyxWillow litter. Brave's sister, Scout the other MH, may have run a Qual. I can't recall if her owner did with her. That is a picuture of her to the left of the board. Before Chessies he ran Goldens in FTs. G ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- Hey, what about me??, George, brave@REMOVEcbrs4me.com, September 11, 2006 at 16:48:15 Lisa, I'm late to this thread but I'm sure Mario B isn't the only one. And while I don't consider myself to be a FT breeder. I think to be called that you have to have proven it. I've attempted to build on what I have in Brave and Merry (Merry is a daughter of Brave's sister and a CH/MACH herself with a son that has JAMmed twice this summer in Quals. There was no FT lines in the sire of her first litter. I attempted to breed Merry to Brave but the AI didn't take. I bred Brave's daughter to Canvas. I bred Merry to CuttyHunk ( who has a lot of FT breeding in him). I also bred Cola twice, once to Merry's brother and once to Brave's son. And while I'm tired of breeding at the moment I have enough animals out there to choose from when I do and still have frozen on Brave. While not a FT breeder I am contributing to preserving the breed ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Non-chessie in bad home question, Therese Terschuren, klassicaljazzREMOVE@netzero.com, September 11, 2006 at 17:08:43 Thanks for your comments. I talked right away last night to my friend and gave him your suggestions. He has thought about seeing if he could buy his pup back. He did say that the guy is rather strange. He did not realize it when he sold him the dog. For instance, he has phoned him quite a few times and he thinks he has caller ID because he won't return his call. I will talk with him again and see how things are going. Therese ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Do you have a router?, Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 11, 2006 at 17:13:21 I work wireless at home and the router is configured to my home PC. Anyway, last year the same thing kept happening to me and it turned out that I needed a new version of firmware. Go figure... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Gorgeous! , Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 11, 2006 at 17:14:49 I'm also partial since I had two in my first litter. ***************** End Of Article ****************** chessies, labs and other dogs.., kath, koldingREMOVE@aptalaska.net, September 11, 2006 at 17:27:01 you know .. was just reading the posts below about trainability in our dogs and the thread that resulted from it. There is always the adage thrown in about the Chessie versus the Lab.. we all have fun with that one because WE have chessies and THEY have labs (or goldens or spaniels or pointers..and any other doggiedoodle out there) :c) You know.. the reason on one (who has any other breed) has such nasty things to say about OUR breed is BECAUSE of what they SEE. you are all talking about CHALLENGE when it comes to our breed.. "I like the challenge of a dog who thinks for himself..makes up his own mind in given situations..bla bla ) and what the OTHER doggiedoodle people think is.. "What hard headed stupid dogs..WHY own one when I can train mine so easy!" In all reality.. if our dogs are such challenges for the most part to get past the age old chesapeake bay retriever mentality.. WE are the stupid ones to keep breeding such difficult to train dogs because we like something at multitasks. But in all reality.. many other breeds do the same thing as our dogs do and do it well. There are hard headed multitasking Labradors and Goldens as well as other breeds. What makes our Breed so attractive to us is that they are on the same page as most of their owners and vice versa. We get along with them, we enjoy them and we love them for what they are. But that doesnt make them any better than the lab or golden etc... each person needs their own breed. But each to their own.. I dont like to bash other breeds just because we are proud of our own..but each breed has its merits where it belongs. But I feel tha Lab is as good as any other breed of dog just as much as if it was raised the same as our dogs. There are good owners and poor owners. A chessie in the wrong hands can suffer as much as the Lab/golden/ spaniels..etc.. I have two I am fostering until I can find them homes. From the looks of it..I may not be able to. Where I live I wouldnt find them a home here..but in the State of Alaska..to find them a proper home I think is prit near impossible for where I live. I am 326 miles from Anchorage.. 210 miles from Fairbanks and nothing but small towns (very few) inbetween. The male has had 7 years to just BE a dog..he knows to sit but he doesnt listen and all he knows is rocks and destroy his water dish after a few laps of water. Keeping water in front of him is going to be impossible. I have to water his food down to make sure he gets enough water. The female is 3 and she has no concept of listening or responding to commands of any type and she is VERY resistant to listening to anything..she is friendly to me and loving..but if she was turned loose..she would be gone and there is no catching her up after that. I found that out in the large kennel attatched to my house. I turned her loose in there and all she wanted was to escape and run. She refused to come to her name and she avoided my attempts to catch her. I finally did ..but not because SHE wanted me to. Outside on the choke and lead rope I had her on.. she was focused on "over there" instead of right here by me.. she wouldnt listen to her name (I dont know if she really even knows her name) and she kept trying to get away off the choker and run.. you could see she was rejecting everything. They are both going to be VERY hard to rehome in this condition. They are healthy otherwise..just totally untrained and not at all like my dogs. Mine are such a pleasure..even Journey for the crazy dog that he is. But these are going to take a LOT of work and with winter coming on and no place to keep them in the house.. they will have to remain in the Sled dog lot and taken off when I have time. But I felt it was better than going to the Shelter and being put to sleep. I honestly didnt know that they were this AWOL in the head. but its sad.. what I am getting at is this..they are no different than any other dog breed where they stand now. The are handicapped from lack of socialized life. Im just rambling as I am thinking about all these things. thats all Kath ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Yes, but, Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 11, 2006 at 17:31:08 earlier in the thread the conversation was about FT dogs. John and Jim and Scott think that we are on opposite sides. We are not. I was just trying to say that most people don't want FT or show dogs, but we need to make sure that all the dogs we breed continue to have the attributes that allow them to axcel at both. When we breed in a vacuum nobody wins. I'm proud as hell when I read the FT news or see CBR's competing in field events. I don't know much about it, but I'm always proud. This is my breed and I'm always thrilled to see all that they can do. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Tell me!, David N, virtualdmn@yahoo.comREMOVETHINGIE, September 11, 2006 at 17:36:02 What kind of connection do you have, DSL or Cable? Did you have the MAC Address and SN# registered with your ISP when you swapped out the modems? Do you have a NIC that would accept a cad5 cable (regular network cable) just in case you have a bad USB port? Do others in your area have internet access? What does "down" mean? If you type in ipconfig /all from a command prompt, does it give you an IP address (besides 192.168...)? If you have an IP address, have you tried to do a loopback test or ping a web address? Thats just a start... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , night train, xver35REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 18:04:35 George, Thanks for setting the record straight, and obviously your Brave is a very nice dog and an example of the breed that we should all be proud of. Like I posted before, we all make mistakes, but someone is claiming that your Brave is All age qualified. This mistake made about Brave should be taken off this person's homepage. With all due respect, there can be and usually is a significant difference between a dog that is All age qualified and a MH that jams one Q. I know Dyane's post was innocent and harmless but it was a nice example of how a slight embellishment, by someone other than her, can be used by one of the most studied people in this breed to make an innocent post. No offense intended to Dyane or George. Scott ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 19:13:33 Scott, the facts that I published were exact and not embellished. Dyane did not breed or own the dogs represented, therefore, as do most people she generalized. To criticize in this instance is petty at best! If I were at work, I would print the name and titles of all the dogs that all 5 of these Meadowood dogs produced as it's on my computer at work and I am home for the week. As for Brave, George can speak for the number of bitches he's been bred to, and I don't think it's probably more than 6 or 7 and 3 of the breedings have been to my own bitches. One of those breedings did produce a Ch/SH who I believe is or will be running for his MH and I know of at least one other Ch/JH, and that is just off the top of my head! The bottom line is that we don't need to justify anything and no one has the right to criticize what we've produced until they can top our records! Can you, or Keith Carlson, or Jim as you seem to be the people criticizing and I can't find where you guys have come even close to what we've done! Have a nice night....I'm off to go train my nice little performance prospect! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** 911 Never Forget, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 11, 2006 at 19:18:19 I am offering my minute of silence and remembering that day and the months that followed, Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: 911 Never Forget/Silence Honored...., Dave B., peake1REMOVE@zoominternet.net, September 11, 2006 at 19:35:26 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , night train, xver35REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 20:12:29 Kathy, If that litter produced several Ch MH then great for you, I only thought it produced 2, that should be enough for someone to brag about. If that litter produced more than 2 CH/MH then I'll be wrong and I can take it. Normally I wouldn't argue something like 2 vs several except you seem to be a repeat offender and you come out swinging like you know something. So, please tell us why your Sandy Oak homepage lists George's Brave as All Age Qualified when you know it is not true?? You don't have any credibility when you lie, no matter how assertively you state I haven't come close to what you've done. I know better, since I have owned one of your Rusty pups. Scott ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , night train, xver35REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 20:35:51 Kathy, you wrote "The bottom line is that we don't need to justify anything and no one has the right to criticize what we've produced until they can top our records!" I never critized what the Rusty/Willow breeding produced, just questioned the claims, 2 MH's or several. By the way a litter that produces 2 MH's is something I respect. Please see my post below. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Thanks Catherine !, Kent Stokesberry, xfirehurricaneREMOVE@netzero.com, September 11, 2006 at 20:59:49 Thank you for presenting our Del Brave Crossfire Hurricane aka " Cane " Thank you all for your support always and our very best wishes to you all ! The Stokesberry Family " Team Hurricane " http://preview.kstokesberry.photosite.com/~photos/tn/4248514_348.ts1158033146209.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Yes, but, Mike Hafley, mrchessieREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 21:17:32 Actually I see just the opposite. I sell the few puppies I breed MOSTLY to hunters and they want a field trial pedigree for lots of reasons. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Your Group 2 & 3 Winner !, Kent Stokesberry, xfirehurricaneREMOVE@netzero.com, September 11, 2006 at 21:18:13 Congrats David & Sylvia. You work very hard to get the results you have. It is an honor to be in the same ring . Twig is the bomb ! Kent http://preview.kstokesberry.photosite.com/~photos/tn/4248891_348.ts1158034058593.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , George, brave@REMOVEcbrs4me.com, September 11, 2006 at 21:22:09 Scott, I had no idea you were referring to Kathy as the person claiming there was a QAA dog from RustyxWillow when I responded. And now that it turns out to be Kathy speaking about Brave I wish you had been me straight with me and just asked me upfront. Kathy, please correct your homepage. Scott & Kathy, whatever you call this thing you have got going leave me out of it. G ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: 911 Never Forget, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 21:38:20 I might crack jokes about my husband (especially) and my kids but, unlike many famlies devastated by 911 I can still hug and kiss them all...two minutes of silence and remembering coming from Colorado this evening. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , George, brave@cbrs4meREMOVE.com, September 11, 2006 at 21:59:31 Scott, don't I know it. Even though Brave was good there were 3 dogs better than him on the same truck that were half his age with twice as much training. He was never going to get All-Age, but then again he was never brought into this world or purchased by me with that in mind. I just happen to like training dogs and the rest just happened. So his accomplishments are mine but preserving the integrity of the breed is in the hands of many. Which is why I agree with those who say FT breedings should be looking at CH/MH or ** dogs. Asking the right questions about the merits of each dog, regardless of the titles. G ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Your Group 2 & 3 Winner !, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 22:02:07 Great picture Kent! Did you get any of Halley yesterday. Your pictures from the previous show were better than the pro's picture of her }G{! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Thanks Catherine !, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 22:03:37 Another great picture! I think Catherine finally died 3/4th of the way through our obedience class tonight! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 22:06:45 I haven't looked at my home page for a long time so if it lists Brave as an all-age qualified dog, then I will fix it. At the time I wrote that I thought that is what two stars after the name meant. I have long since been corrected and didn't realize that my home page still said that. Mea Culpa! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** It's fixed......, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 11, 2006 at 22:20:36 Surely don't want to be accused of making things up on my webpage! Here's the link should anyone want to verify same! Kathy http://hometown.aol.com/sndyoak/myhomepage/profile.html Sandy Oak Chesapeakes ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , night train, xver35REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 11, 2006 at 23:02:22 George, Your accomplishments with Brave are very nice and I agree with what you say about the merits of each dog, regardless of titles. However, most FT breeders are breeding dogs with Ch in their pedigree contrary to the myth perpetuated by many on this site. My bitch, considered FT breeding by most, Dual breeding by me, has 8 show Ch in her 4 generation pedigree, 3 Dual CH, Chase has 8 and Rudy has 9 Ch's compared to Kathy's Rusty which has 11. To believe that FT dogs don't have Ch in their pedigree and that most FT breeders don't breed with the standard in mind is absurd. Decks, Chase and Rudy are producing DC, AFC's and show Ch's. Chase alone is one of the top 10 producers of show Ch's, last I checked. He also appears in many of the current FT breedings. The FT breeders are holdin up their end of the bargain. Scott ***************** End Of Article ****************** It's a start..., Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 04:38:02 OTOH, you are talking about people who are already bitten by the bug, and are looking for training advice. We need more outlets to introduce people to field events and all that they entail. And yes, that means the trialers, with their wonderfully well-trained dogs need to participate. I got the bug when I went to my first training day in CA many moons ago. The field trialers always showed up, and we had an "advanced" stake that was essentially what one could only call a meld between MH and QAA level work (there were no HT back then). It was great to see what a dog can actually be trained to do, and gave everyone else something to aspire to. Many of us got the bug that way. How you gonna make sure the future generations get the bug? Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Yes, they are beautiful, Jayne Bennett, jayne.bennettREMOVE@verizon.net, September 12, 2006 at 05:17:23 And if that gorgeous Max ever goes missing, you might want to check my house first. I just love his happy face! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Preserving the integrity of the breed -- what does that mean to you? , j j fitzsimons, jfitz2REMOVE@bellsouth.net, September 12, 2006 at 05:26:10 Kathy, Why did you bring me in to this testosterone contest? I stated my opinions on topics. Never bashed anybody. Never questioned yours or anybody else’s breeding records. Working on breeding the best possible chessies. My idea to breed AFC Curry to GRHRCH Daisy. Daisy is a grand daughter of Rudy. The rest of her line IS CH. But if I offended anybody with my post. SORRY !!!!!!!!!!!!! JIM ***************** End Of Article ****************** Congratulations, everyone!, JoAnn, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 12, 2006 at 05:49:25 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Field Peakes, Betsy , 8blackdogsREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 12, 2006 at 05:58:30 Regarding where our dogs come from - we also have purchased from Mr. Scott Sherman, Mr and Mrs. Mac Dubose, Mr. Pat Kenny, Mr. Newt Cropper, Mr. John Thomas, Ms. Marge Samuels, Mr. Marvin Blount - the list goes on - what exactly is your point here? Regarding my comments: 1 - Yes, we are "outsiders" - considering this was our first post - goes to show you how amazed we were with the brash and arrogant tone from the Field Peakes post. Also, we have a 5 month old Chessie Female - still getting our feet wet there. 2 - Regarding the "Kettle calling the Pot Black" - since this was posted attached while quoting our post I am again confused - having no history on the board. 3 - And Finally - what bothers me most - "that's not what I meant" - and I will take this to the singular - I stand by my words - this is EXACTLY where I am coming from - no hidden words - no hidden agenda - I am thrilled to own a Chessie that I feel has the talent to title in both the ring and field - a luxury that does not exist in the Lab world. Now you know where I am coming from. ***************** End Of Article ****************** No, two wrongs don't make a right, but let's get the facts straight, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 12, 2006 at 06:31:30 I'm not the only one who "gets" the tone of Keith Carlson's posts of late and it's all "NYA NYA NYA, I have an AAQ Peake and you don't". Have as in own/train/run--semantics. Why not be satisfied with having nice dogs (and of course giving credit where it's due on one of them?) Why add all this other stuff? Truly I don't need to badmouth ole KC, he does a fine job of that without my help. But for the record, I NEVER bashed his or anyone else's dogs' pedigree. We can, however, let people judge that for themselves. I've provided a link to the discussion on RTF you refer to. It's lengthy and same-ole, same-ole, but if you start on page 5 you will find a question from me--and a bit of righteous indignation over the patronizing, cavalier non-answer I got. NO dog or pedigree insults whatsover. You will find on that thread quite a few insults, venom and barbs thrown--but not by me. Here it is, for anyone interested. LINK to RTF post, starts on P.5 http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27106&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60&sid=0af381ff630356a82e5aec0725c5d436 http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27106&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60&sid=0af381ff630356a82e5aec0725c5d436 LINK to RTF post, starts on P.5 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Oh, of course, George too!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 07:16:49 LOL! Actually, when you look at the history of FT breedings in this breed, there have been very good dogs that were "neglected" by fellow trialers. Politics? Popularity? Wanting to be with the "in crowd"? I don't know. I do know that regionalism, sportism, etc. can only be harmful in a breed with an effective breeding population as small as ours. Sometimes, we Chessie breeders can't get out of our own way. Maybe the best stud dog for your bitch belongs to someone you detest. Get over it, and do the breeding anyway is my philosophy! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Really nice photos Kent..., Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 12, 2006 at 07:23:40 I haven't seen Cane since he was a pup. He is looking very nice!!! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Yes, but, Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 12, 2006 at 07:30:54 The AVERAGE puppy buyer doesn't know squat about pedigrees and doesn't care. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Exactly Why... It is not possible&Dyane Baldwin, Brian Cox, ChesacolaREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 08:38:56 I have been sitting here quietly on the sidelines watching and reading as the supporters for both sides have attacked and tried to discredit the candidates and each other but after Dyane Baldwin's latest stunt it is time for me to speak up. I will address JoAnn Colvin's post first and then Dyane. JoAnn: Publishing board meeting agendas is a great idea and I believe it was at the top of your "Our Vision Statement" but if you would have done your research you would know it cannot be done. It would be illegal under the California Electronics Code which basically states that you cannot publish any official club business electronically because the information has to go to every member and not all club members are online or have Internet access so it is not possible to do. All club business has to be printed in the bulletin because is sent to all the members and it would not be economically feasible for the club to mail every member a letter with a copy of the voting page every month. Also as a past board member you know that sometimes you don't even know what you will be voting on until a week or so in advance and that would not give all members enough time to respond. On the other hand If I'm not mistaken voting results could be published electronically because that information will be published in the bulletin for all the members and that would fall under communication which is the secretaries job. As you know it is the presidents job to be the leader and to delegate making sure that everyone is doing their job and to find out why and help to correct the problem if they are not. Angie and the current board have been criticized for lack of communication among other things by your supporters but if members haven't come forward (until this election) and voiced their concerns or issues or the president doesn't alert the board about any problems and help find solutions as how to fix them then how can the board members not think that everything is fine and dandy? In one of your earlier posts you said that you brought up some issues at the meeting in Maryland and that Angie must have been there since she was on the board. You knew or should have known she was giving the judges seminar going on at the same time but the night before we sat at the bar and had drinks with you and Jim and several other club members if you had some issues why did you not discuss them with Angie then who was sitting right beside you? (no need to answer) I know you and Angie and Jim and I are pretty damn tired of all the crap that has been flying about coming from all sides and are just waiting for the outcome of this election to be decided and then whichever one of you is elected can go about the business of trying to correct the problems that have existed and persisted in the club for many years. Well, now the time has come for me to voice my opinions on Dyane's latest stunt and I'm sorry it is not going to pretty. I bet all of you who wrote to the board members and to the other lists wish you had gotten all the facts now instead of jumping when Dyane says jump. This is just another typical example (and there have been many over the years) of how Dyane operates sneaky,underhanded,manipulative are a few words that come to mind she has her little spies and informants on every committee and the board and has to try and control everything that goes on in the club only this time she got caught publicly. JoAnn I believe that this is one of the reasons that you have been so blatantly attacked you are being perceived as guilty by association it is obvious that some members see your close association with Dyane and figure that if these are the methods and tactics she uses then you must be quilty of using them too. Dyane always says she gets no appreciation for the work she has done for the club,and she has done some damn nice work,but its the way she goes about it that turns people against her. She is sweet and nice when she wants something from you or when she tries to get you to do something for her but if you don't do it or don't do it to her satisfaction then she will hold a grudge against you and persecute you every chance she gets. If she wants to control the club then why doesn't she run for president? Because she would much rather try to control people from behind the scenes. So those of you who are fans of the good ole boy backroom politics where someone else is controlling the strings looks like you got a taste of what's to come if Joanne, Kathy and Yvette are elected. Also JoAnne here is a little piece of advice if I were you I would try to distance myself from Dyane because if you are elected you are going to have a long hard rocky row to hoe. Angie has no idea that I have written or posted this and when she finds out we will undoubtedly have an argument so wheather you all believe what I say is true or not don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes. Brian Cox ***************** End Of Article ****************** THANK YOU KEN! Field Trial CBR people are the best..., Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 12, 2006 at 08:46:02 Just wanted to publicly thank Ken Erikson, Canvas' owner who sent me a very nice email last night about our training day. He wanted to help and ensure these young dogs/trainees get what's so important, BIRDS so he offered to help us buy some extra ducks for the Sunday training day. This was a very generous, unsolicited offer and from my experience, typical of people who've had success w/their CBRs at the highest levels and want to help others. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bryan, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 08:52:17 Can you give me the exact citation of the code you are referring to? Thanks! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Man's best friend needs more than food and water, kerrie, chesapeakebayretrieverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 12, 2006 at 08:53:44 This was sent to me by a friend who found it in an old Dear Abby column. You may have seen it before but I thought it nice to share: A Dog's Prayer by Beth Norman Harris Treat me kindly, my beloved master, for no heart in all the world is more grateful for kindness than the loving heart of me. Do not break my spirit with a stick, for though I should lick your hand between the blows, your patience and understanding will more quickly teach me the things you would have me do. Speadk to me often, for your voice is the world's sweetest music, as you must know by the fierce wagging of my tail when your footsteps falls uplon my waiting ear. When it is cold and wet, please take me inside, for I am now a domesitcated animal, no longer used to bitter elements. And I ask no greater glory than the privilege of sitting at your feet beside the hearth. Though had you no home, I would rather follow you through ice and snow than rest upon the softest pillow in the warmest home in all the land, for you are my god and I am your devoted worshiper. Keep my pan filled with frest water, for although I should not reproach you were it dry, I cannot tell you when I suffer thirst. Feed me clean food, that I may stay well, to romp and play and do your bidding, to walk by your side, and stand ready, willing and able to protect you with my life should your life be in danger. And, beloved, master, should the great Master see fit to deprive me of my health or sight, do not turn me away from you. Rather, hold me gently in your arms as skilled hands grand me the mecrciful boon of eternal rest -- and I will leave you knowing with the last breath I drew, my fate was ever safest in your hands. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Exactly Why... It is not possible&Dyane Baldwin, JoAnn, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 12, 2006 at 09:24:41 I'm not going into anything here, as we will have to agree to disagree, however, I do remember speaking to Angie while having drinks and we did talk about some ACC business but it was more about standard revision and we came to some pretty similar conclusions. And, I would have guessed the President would have brought up concerns from the meeting for the Board to address. I didn't know who was doing the seminar as it was for future judges, not the membership.I do believe that items can be posted on the ACC list as long as they are included in the Bulletin as well. Actually I believe it's been done before. And if CA laws are that restrictive, maybe it's time to look elsewhere. I have heard that CA will be having some major tax increases for non-profit organizations, but that is for accountants and lawyers to look into. As far as Dyane, well I'm just speechless! Putting in a resume and deciding to run on petition was all done on my own and actually no one knew until after the fact. Anyone who knows me will tell you that I absolutely have a mind of my own, for good or bad, I make my own decisions. We do certainly agree we are tired of all this and looking forward to Sept. 25. And this club deserves the best efforts of whomever is elected in any and all positions. JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Oops, Brian, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 09:30:34 Sorry I spelled your name wrong. Anyway, here's what I was able to find. Let me know if you have other references. From what I can gather, distributing Board agendas electronically would be perfectly permissible under California's Corporation Code. Lisa "20. "Electronic transmission by the corporation" means a communication (a) delivered by (1) facsimile telecommunication or electronic mail when directed to the facsimile number or electronic mail address, respectively, for that recipient on record with the corporation, (2) posting on an electronic message board or network which the corporation has designated for those communications, together with a separate notice to the recipient of the posting, which transmission shall be validly delivered upon the later of the posting or delivery of the separate notice thereof, or (3) other means of electronic communication, (b) to a recipient who has provided an unrevoked consent to the use of those means of transmission for communications under or pursuant to this code, and (c) that creates a record that is capable of retention, retrieval, and review, and that may thereafter be rendered into clearly legible tangible form. However, an electronic transmission by a corporation to an individual shareholder or member under this code is not authorized unless, in addition to satisfying the requirements of this section, the transmission satisfies the requirements applicable to consumer consent to electronic records as set forth in the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (15 U.S.C. Sec. 7001(c)(1))." "5079. "Written" or "in writing" includes facsimile, telegraphic, and other electronic communication as authorized by this code, including an electronic transmission by a corporation that satisfies the requirements of Section 20." "5015. Any reference in this part, Part 2 (commencing with Section 5110), Part 3 (commencing with Section 7110), Part 4 (commencing with Section 9110), or Part 5 (commencing with Section 9910) to the time a notice is given or sent means, unless otherwise expressly provided, (a) the time a written notice by mail is deposited in the United States mails, postage prepaid; or (b) the time any other written notice, including facsimile, telegram, or other electronic mail message, is personally delivered to the recipient or is delivered to a common carrier for transmission, or actually transmitted by the person giving the notice by electronic means, to the recipient; or (c) the time any oral notice is communicated, in person or by telephone, including a voice messaging system or other system or technology designed to record and communicate messages, or wireless, to the recipient, including the recipient's designated voice mailbox or address on such a system, or to a person at the office of the recipient who the person giving the notice has reason to believe will promptly communicate it to the recipient." "(2) Regular meetings of the board may be held without notice if the time and place of the meetings are fixed by the bylaws or the board. Special meetings of the board shall be held upon four days' notice by first-class mail or 48 hours' notice delivered personally or by telephone, including a voice messaging system or by electronic transmission by the corporation (Section 20). The articles or bylaws may not dispense with notice of a special meeting. A notice, or waiver of notice, need not specify the purpose of any regular or special meeting of the board." ***************** End Of Article ****************** Maybe not!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 09:45:42 "if CA laws are that restrictive" See my "Oops, Brian" post below. I'm not seeing anything in California Corporation Code that restricts or disallows notification by electronic means. Also, I hope Brian joins back, because I don't see anything called "Electronics Code" in California's Codes and Statutes references. Hopefully, he will post back with the specific chapter and verse he was referring to. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Man's best friend needs more than food and water, Jill, rcjcac9@optonlineREMOVE.net, September 12, 2006 at 09:46:15 Wow, that was SOOOO great - now to try to work with tears in my eyes.... ***************** End Of Article ****************** on behalf of the person I got the rescues from, kath, koldingREMOVE@aptalaska.net, September 12, 2006 at 09:58:04 The woman has 4 children..her husband left her 6 years ago for another woman and left her and her children alone with no support and HIS family did nothing to support her either, even though they all live nearby. It was people from her small village that helped her out. Her ex is still giving her problems and she is trying to make a future for herself and get on her feet. I wanted to clarify that while I made out how poorly trained her two chessies were not trained,they were well taken care of feed wise. She just didnt know what chesapeakes needed. I am glad she called me rather than take them to the Shelter. She is doing the best she can and is in a bad place right now emotionally. My heart goes out to her for the difficulties she has endured these last 6 years and continues to fight them. She didnt mean to not train her dogs..she just had too much on her plate. Kath ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Oops, Brian, George, brave@cbrs4meREMOVE.com, September 12, 2006 at 10:08:32 Lisa, I too could not find anything called the "California Electronics Code". Could you both post the URLs for your sources. I use findlaw.com which is nice because it breaks down most issues into human readable form. On a side note, I regularly visit the websites for various local goverment agencies here in CA. Upcoming agendas are always published in advance. G ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Yes, but, mike hafley, mrchessieREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 10:09:25 Maybe not there,but they sure do here ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Thanks Catherine !, George, brave@cbrs4meREMOVE.com, September 12, 2006 at 10:15:02 Cane is looking very nice, Kent. Thanks for the additional photos sent privately. Catherine told me later that the judge was deciding between Cane and Twig for BOB. G ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Agreed. Location a big factor., Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 12, 2006 at 10:25:04 There are some folks here that would know. Just because of the Coutu's and a few others, but most wouldn't. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Thanks Catherine !, George, brave@cbrs4meREMOVE.com, September 12, 2006 at 10:37:52 I could have sworn Catherine showed Cane in the classes and for BOB both days. Kent's pictures prove this. Ring conflict? Not possible on Sunday as Am Staffs showed at 9AM and Chessies after 1PM. The real reason??? Inquiring minds want to know? G PS RWB on saturday and Best Puppy went to a 6 month old, very pretty girl owned by Laurie Schisler. I notice it did not appear in the results. Timber is going to the National. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: THANK YOU KEN! Field Trial CBR people are the best..., Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 10:42:22 Pretty sad when you get all excited about birds isn't it LMAO What a great gester! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Thanks Catherine !, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 10:45:34 Great picture BIG guy and thanks for sending the others to me as well :o) ***************** End Of Article ****************** No problem!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 10:49:21 Actually, I agree with Brian for those items requiring a *membership* vote. Anything requiring a vote of the membership should be sure to be sent to all members. However, we are talking about something being voted on by the *board*, and such items need only be sent to the *board*. Any other notification sent to the membership, would be a nice gesture, a *plus*. Since it would be done purely for informational purposes (not requiring a vote by the *membership*), absolute blanket coverage of the membership would not be necessary. Electronic distribution would be as simple as setting up a distribution list for the Secretary. The list would include the ACC-L address, plus any addresses of members who do not subscribe to ACC-L, but would wish to receive Board agendas electronically. Lisa http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html Link to CA Codes ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: This is a great idea..., Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 12, 2006 at 10:51:47 This would give people more access to become involved. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Don't go overboard on air filtration!, Gaby, gkarlkvistREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:03:36 When I had my son (20 years ago), I had 3 Goldens,ages 1 through 4--talk about hair and dirt and dander. (I also had one 10 year old cat.) I tried to be clean, BUT... Once I caught my son, age 2 at the time, eating from the doggie bowl, UGH! Anyway, my son grew up to be a strong, healthy young man. Congratulations on the baby! ***************** End Of Article ****************** FT pedigrees, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:09:46 Lots of hunters think they have to have a FT pedigree. That's because they read it in books or hear it on videos and DVDs. They don't understand the the FT pedigree paradigm applies to Labs and Goldens, not necessarily Chessies. I think it's part of our job to educate prospective puppy buyers that we don't have the breed split that other breds have, and a good solid line of working dogs can exist without a liberal sprinkling of FCs in the pedigree. If I were buying a Lab, you'd better believe I would be looking for an exclusively FC pedigree. No pigadors need apply! LOL! Thankfully, we don't have the problem in our breed. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: THANK YOU KEN! Field Trial CBR people are the best..., Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 12, 2006 at 11:20:18 What a super thing to do! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Ken is the bomb diggity!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:25:50 Hey Ken, I saw Dutch this past weekend. He did some pretty impressive work on some meaty triples! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Bravo & Best Wishes to All! , Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 12, 2006 at 11:30:28 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: THANK YOU KEN! Field Trial CBR people are the best..., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:33:33 That's terrific, and what this should be all about. Wish I could go to your training day....I just happen to be on the wrong coast :-(! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: FT pedigrees, Shannon, rollinsclanREMOVE@prodigy.net, September 12, 2006 at 11:35:45 I often get the standard I don't want a show dog mantra. Yes, it is usually from advice based on the other breeds. However, it is also lack of understanding and a buyers way of trying to let the litter owner know their intentions. If you actually get in and ASK questions and share information, many owners are surprised they DO want a show quality dog. What they DO NOT want is a dog with a bunch of strings attached. They do not want to be required to show, have a co-owner, be required to produce a litter or on of many other things that are often attached to the promising puppy. It is also often a way of saying they have a budget. Some folks charge varying prices for different individuals in a litter. When I hear this in my phone converstions, it tells me more questions and info are required. Many a home are looking for the SAME type puppy I am. In the CBR world that often makes them show dogs or competetive activity contenders. Shannon ***************** End Of Article ****************** Susie, why aren't you posting your big brag?!, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:38:39 I would but don't have much detail! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Thanks Catherine !, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:45:09 George, on Saturday, Catherine had a major ring conflict but did get Cane in for the class and Winners. Dana took him back in for Best of Breed. As for Annie, which is who I'm sure you were referring to....she is NOT a client's dog, but rather Catherine's and mine and Catherine was concerned that if she also tried to show Annie and Twist, that she wouldn't make her CLIENT'S committment to the AmStaff ring to show the bitch that she finished that day because she did show her. Besides, there is nothing that said that David, Catherine or I could or couldn't show Annie, or that we could OR couldn't put her on anyone else for that matter. Kinda makes me wonder why you are so concerned! I thought David did a lovely job of showing her so I asked him if he would show her again on Sunday to take some of the stress off of Catherine....after all, David is related since he shows Annie's father. And I wanted to concentrate on Halley. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sorry, it wasn't you I meant but rather....., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:49:25 ....jnorris-cbrmac. I thought he was Jim and didn't realize there were two Jim's posting, or maybe I was wrong about his first name. the whole thing is stupid anyway. The ones who are stirring the pot are the ones that appear have to have done the least for this breed anyway. You are entirely correct....the goal is to bree the best possible chessies. And I apologize for causing the name confusion. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** I'm sorry, this was not deliberate....Here is the information., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:57:04 George wrote: "PS RWB on saturday and Best Puppy went to a 6 month old, very pretty girl owned by Laurie Schisler. I notice it did not appear in the results. Timber is going to the National. " RWB & BEST PUPPY (from Puppy 6-9): DESERT WINDS SNOW BOUND (Ch. Del Brave Rocco G SH x Ch. Caledonia's Dzrt Winds Alexis). Breeder, Owner, Laurie Schisler. (I'm not sure who showed her though). ***************** End Of Article ****************** Photo with Lucy Ohio, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 12, 2006 at 11:58:27 HI I will have Lucy with me at the Nationals and hope this year to get a photo of Lucy with all her descendents. This year we are delighted to have Kerrie doing the photos. will try and get them when we have a break, Lucy is looking good, slowed down a little but still herself, thanks Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** An oversight in the results..., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 12:00:37 I apologize to Laurie Schisler for omitting her puppy from the results on Sunday. It was simply an oversight on my part as I always try to post complete results..actually thought I had typed it out and didn't go back to check: RWB & BEST PUPPY (from Puppy 6-9): DESERT WINDS SNOW BOUND (Ch. Del Brave Rocco G SH x Ch. Caledonia's Dzrt Winds Alexis). Breeder, Owner, Laurie Schisler. (I'm not sure who showed her though). Congratulation to Laurie....that was a nice win for a lovely puppy as there was a nice puppy entry on Saturday. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Julie gots a boy-friend!, Love Angel, heartsandflowersREMOVE@allsfairinlove.com, September 12, 2006 at 12:15:40 What did you do to set Keith off, Julie, kiss him on the playground? Now he is chasing you around and pulling your pigtails. Looks like childhood sweethearts to me! LOLOL! Cupid ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Thanks Catherine ! why concerned??, George, brave@cbrs4meREMOVE.com, September 12, 2006 at 12:18:35 3 or 4 errors in your posts in the last day. I was concerned because I thought you were quacking up. :) G ***************** End Of Article ****************** I'll be delighted to help get a photo of Lucy and all -- , Kerrie, chesapeakebayretrieverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 12, 2006 at 12:30:33 Morgan will be delighted to pose. :o) Hopefully she'll sit still long enough .. http://www.doggiediscounts.net/0211.jpg Required if you enter a URL http://www.doggiediscounts.net/0211.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** I did that along time ago.....!, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 12:46:27 ***************** End Of Article ****************** That's very funny!, Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 12, 2006 at 13:07:16 ***************** End Of Article ****************** 2006 Invitational Agility & Obed, mary kearns, mkearnsREMOVE@wfubmc.edu, September 12, 2006 at 13:46:55 I thought I would post some happy news. These are the Chessie's invited to the2006 Invitational for Agility and Obedience. Agility CH MACH Meadowoods Merron Del Brave CD George Makatura MACH Northstar's Molly Sunshine CD SH Vickie Woods MACH Oak Hill Hurricane Georgie CDX Ann Williscroft Rippling Waters Peter Pan MX MXJ Ann Williscroft Webbfoot's Keeping In Motion VCD2 UD JH MX MXJ Mary Kearns Obedience CH OTCH Longmeadow Gettysburg UDX Sue Cone CH Marnetts School Belle UD RAE NA OAP OJP Annette Monugian Spendthrift's Lady Byng VCD2 UDX RN NAP NJP Tina Stephens Webbfoot's Keeping In Motion VCD2 UD JH MX MXJ Mary Kearns ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: 2006 Invitational Agility & Obed, Maggie Fisher, chbrndgREMOVE@northwynchesapeakes.com, September 12, 2006 at 15:27:27 CONGRATULATIONS ALL! We were so fortunate enough to be invited in the past but could not attend. GOOD LUCK at the Invitational everyone!!! Maggie Fisher, AM/CAN CH* Irish's Whispering NorthWind UD SH & AM/CAN CH* Irish's NorthWyns Navigator CD JH ***************** End Of Article ****************** National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 15:42:56 I know Kerrie posted this subject on the E-mail list but, I thought it would be fun to post it on the board as well. BTW, in preparation for Ohio, I am buying my Dead Horse Society Sweatshirt this week! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: 2006 Invitational Agility & Obed, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 16:09:19 Congratulations to all...what an honor :o) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Opinions....comments....suggestions, anyone?, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 16:47:40 What would you do? The conformation show you are entered in has a Best Puppy award. You own 2 of the entrants. Each, a dog and a bitch, wins their 9-12 class division. The bitch 9-12 class had 3 puppies entered, so your bitch pup beat the other two to win the class. The Puppy dog (who went RWD) was on his own insofar as other dog puppies as there were none and he was beaten by the Open dog for WD. The puppy 6-9 class had one puppy bitch who won her class and went on to Reserve Winners Bitch in the regular judging. You are prepared to go back in for Best Puppy with your dog puppy, but felt your bitch puppy had already been defeated when the other puppy bitch went Reserve Winners Bitch. However, as the Best of Breed competition was wrapping up the ring steward told the exhibitors outside the ring that all the first place puppies were to come back after the Best of Breed competition for judging for the Best Puppy, and she called everyone back by exhibitor number. Do you go back in anyway even if you have the bitch defeated by the 6-9 puppy for RWB? Or do you point out to the ring steward that winner of the 9-12 puppy bitch class had already been defeated when the 6-9 puppy took Reserve Winners and decline to go back in the ring? Inquiring minds just want to know what other people would have done. Kathy P.S. And, yes, even though all 3 puppies were taken back into the ring to compete against each other as instructed by the steward, the judge did award Best Puppy to the puppy who had already taken RWB (and she is a lovely puppy and deserving of the award). ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: THANK YOU KEN! You are a class act !, Kent Stokesberry, xfirehurricaneREMOVE@netzero.com, September 12, 2006 at 17:19:05 Something I should point out as well. Prior to my ownership of a Canvas pup and on the eve of Cane's & my debut in our very first Derby ever. Mr. Erikson sent me a very inspirational e-mail welcoming us into a new world. We appreciate his thoughts and kindness so much I have a copy of the e-mail that I put in my daily journal to read every day . Although due to circumstances beyond our control Cane and I never made it to that Derby, we take everyday one step at a time and by some miracle some day before we say goodbye, we will run a Field Trial. Ken Thank you for what you do for the breed and should you ever need something from us please don't hesitate to contact us anytime. Kent Stokesberry ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, GiGi Grant, gigig@REMOVEadelphia.net, September 12, 2006 at 17:30:36 I was just thinking about this topic last night. I am going sans dogs, meeting my friend Ann McCreary from NJ. As important as who is doing what, is how will we recognize one another. I'll be easy- I'm the gimp with the fashionable blue boot (foot surgery 2 wks. ago). Name tags at dinner/happy hour? I, too, will be sporting my DHS sweatshirt. Did you find a trucker to team up with for the drive to OH? GiGi ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Winners Bitch Sunday, Kent Stokesberry, xfirehurricaneREMOVE@netzero.com, September 12, 2006 at 17:50:41 It takes me forever to post pictures and I was tired by the time I got through work and sorting 60 shots . But I think this is a good one for you Kathy. Thanks Kent http://preview.kstokesberry.photosite.com/~photos/tn/4274147_348.ts1158107883734.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Still no citation?, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 18:31:51 Guess we are not all as think as you dumb we are. Anybody else who can point to California Code that does not allow BoD agendas to be posted online prior to the meetings, please let me know. 'Cause I'd really like to see whoever becomes President follow through with opening up communications in this area. But there's no point in them spending the time if the law doesn't allow it. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Thanks, Kent...., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 18:48:28 I especially appreciate it as I didn't get a picture of our win on Sunday. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 18:48:43 Nope, no trucker LMAO I decided not to drive out but, of course, gas prices are going down now LOL Driving to the HRC and AKC tests just wore me out this summer! Were flying out Wednesday night out of Denver (my side kick and Co-Chair for the 2007 NSS, Daphne Marvin) and were bringing two dogs. Daph's dog Bullet will be entered in the Hunting Dog class, BOB, and I believe Obedience and CGC. After last year and going dogless, I will be bringig my pup Abby, who will be in 9-12 month Sweeps and 9-12 month Puppy class on Saturday. Daphne's daughter Saxton will be flying in on Friday, will be showing in Juniors and I am especially looking forward to that. If you know of a good pilot who resembles a Cabana Boy please let me know...I am still not giving up hope of finding one (VBG) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Opinions....comments....suggestions, anyone?, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 12, 2006 at 19:01:37 Since this is a non-regular, showcase exhibition not related to anything that went on in the ring ahead of it, I would still show the puppy. Also, why pass up an opportunity to get more ring-time in with a puppy? I wouldn't. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Welcome to the wonderful world of Chesapeakes!, Dana G, browndogs3@comcast.netREMOVE, September 12, 2006 at 19:11:44 I sincerely hope that you will be able to achieve all you able to with your new pup! It's a long road, but you sound like you know what is ahead of you. The best of luck! Dana ***************** End Of Article ****************** The Perfect Head .. brought up from below., Kent Stokesberry, xfirehurricaneREMOVE@netzero.com, September 12, 2006 at 19:39:13 I think his head is OK ! What do you folks think ? Kent http://preview.kstokesberry.photosite.com/~photos/tn/4277266_348.ts1158114884934.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Opinions....comments....suggestions, anyone?, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 12, 2006 at 20:07:28 yes you go in, even if it is just going through the motions. never know getting that second look, ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pretty cool water photo of Jake. :), Traci C, t-cahillREMOVE@sbcglobal.net, September 12, 2006 at 20:26:43 I know most of you have similar shots like this, but Jake is 4 years old and I've only finally gotten a cool photo of him like this. We just got this film developed, this was from a month or two ago. We were at a friend's house, they live by a small lake. This spot where Jake was jumping, it's shallow for the first couple of feet, then there is a ledge under water and a few-feet drop off. Jake loved launching himself from there retrieving the bumpers. http://www.hunt101.com/img/433882-big.jpg Jake big water http://www.hunt101.com/img/433882-big.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cool photo! I love these launch photos!, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 12, 2006 at 20:42:44 Actually, I love to watch the dogs when they launch themselves! Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: 2006 Invitational Agility & Obed, Gina, ginadownin@att.netREMOVE, September 13, 2006 at 03:45:13 Mary, It doesn't surprise me one bit to see you representing both agility and obedience. I just think it's so cool that you work your dogs in so many different events. I look forward to seeing you again at the National this year. You will be there, won't you? gina ***************** End Of Article ****************** big hugs for Britt, Kath, koldingREMOVE@aptalaska.net, September 13, 2006 at 04:01:53 Its not that he did anything huge..but what he did..he did true to form and I think it made a difference for the moment. I work at the main local Resturant as Janitor at night. Luckily for once I was almost done the same time the Kitchen guys were getting done. However they were out of the door and gone home when I still had one section of floor to wash before I could go. I am not allowed to wash the floor while they are there. Anyhow.. I was vacuming the main dining room when I seen this fellow in hunting camo at the front door , he was looking in. Mind you, we are closed..and had been close for a couple hours. But most people when they see the sign with the hours on it..they go away..but this fellow was not.. I kept an eye on him out of the corner of my eye while I vacumed.. he was at the door a LOT longer than I thought was normal.. then he was gone..but then I seen him at the other door..there are two entrances. Again..he was acting strangely..so much so that I shut off the vacum and went into the kitchen to look over the ledge and yet not be seen myself hopefully.. my friends husband who is cook there was asking me what I was looking at..so I told him. But presently I didnt see the man anymore..so I went back to vacuming. Then the cook told me that one of his guys talked to the man and said he was drunk and was wanting a ride to Juneau. Like .. HELLOOOOOOOOOO??? Juneau is a long ways away from Tok!! Anyhow... I was a lil nervous.. the cook said if they leave and he is still around call 911 and ask for the Troopers to come down. I said to the Cook..my luck he will be in Northway (1 hour east of Tok). So I seen the man walking back towards the bar which is across the parking lot a lil ways..but its closed. I dont see him for a while and then the kitchen staff finally closed up and went home. They did look for the man before they left and the one said he seen him over by the bar. So they left and not more than 2 minutes went by when the man came back to the front of the resturant door.... I ducked down behind the wall and snuck into the kitchen. I can see my truck parked on the side nearest me through the windows.. and pretty soon I see the man walk to the front of my truck and he stops.. thats when Britt did his good Ol American bred Chesapeake Duty... He was on alert and started to bark in the truck!!!! the guy stood there a few moments longer and then walked away. I did call 911 (which is in Fairbanks) and told them my story...and I told them I wasnt going to walk out there alone ..because once the door is shut its locked and I cant get back inside. They finally rouse the one head Trooper and she said he would be calling me....took a good 10 minutes or so before he did and then he informed me that the Trooper on duty was dispatched to ... guess where? NORTHWAY!! I chuckled and told him thats exactly what I told the cook..he got a chuckle out of that. I told him I wasnt leaving out that door as I was the ONLY one there and its 2:30 am.. so he asked if I had a family member or someone nearer me than him..as he wasnt in uniform and it would take him longer to get in uniform and get down there. So I called the cook who lived across the highway a quarter mile away.. since I figured he was still up ..and he was.. so bless his heart..he came over and waited till I got in my truck. I did see the man though while waiting for the cook..he WAS in front of the resturant or hanging around the building. Then he staggered across the highway and into the shadows over there. But anyhow.. my excitment for the night.... one thing I dont like about working alone in that place. But good ol Britt let that guy know he wasnt allowed there. Normally I have anywhere from 2 -4 dogs in the truck..usually 2 though..and tonight I only had Britt with. I love my chessies!!! :c) Kath ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Lorrie, Lorrie_JohnsonREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 13, 2006 at 04:12:58 I really want to meet you in person this year, Susie - since we totally missed each other last year in MD! :>) So please look for me. I've got Lex entered in agility, obedience, rally, conformation, and WD. He STILL thinks he's in charge of Entertainment so if everyone is laughing at a blond woman with a dark brown Silvercreek dog, that would be us! LOL Lorrie & Lex ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: THANK YOU KEN! Field Trial CBR people are the best..., Sandie, chessyREMOVE@onlineimage.com, September 13, 2006 at 04:52:34 Dosen't surprise me at all. Talk about a real class act, just like his dog. A true gentleman of his kind. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Nice Going - Congratulations! , Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 05:31:49 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Still no citation?, Gina, ginadownin@att.netREMOVE, September 13, 2006 at 06:17:05 I served on my City Council and in that context we were not permitted to send ordinances/resolutions on the internet. They needed to be posted on the front door of City Hall where all have equal access to seem them before a vote. Agendas which site the name and number of items to be voted upon are sent electronically by one of our Council Members to anyone who wishes to receive them. But they provide no real information about the issues at hand. I can't cite the code the governs the way my Council does this, but I agree with the reasons behind it. Everyone should have fair access to information that will allow them to weigh in on issues. Our problem (ACC's) is that no one has meaningful access to issues unless they have an inside connection with someone on the board. I'm sure there are solutions that improve upon this that don't involve excluding members who don't have internet access. Gina Downin ***************** End Of Article ****************** Kent, the picture is almost too small to tell, Traci C, t-cahillREMOVE@sbcglobal.net, September 13, 2006 at 07:00:55 Not that I would judge anyway! :) Overall from what I can see he's a fine lookin' dog! :) ***************** End Of Article ****************** That is a fantastic photo!, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 13, 2006 at 07:04:34 Traci that is a GREAT photo! And no I don't have any of my own dogs that good ;-) I've spent many a roll of film and countless digital frames and I have a lot of nice jumping shots of other people's dogs. MOst of them end up looking like the example, he he. It's VERY hard to get the perfect water launch shot (and this is coming from someone who professionally photographed jumping horses!) Most of the times when I have the camera ready the dog does a hang-leg jump like this one of Puffin jumping off my Mom's dock into the Chesapeake Bay. This is the way all my dogs seem to jump when I have a camera! http://www.juliereardon.com/images/upload/8026300-R1-049-23.jpg Puffin jumping into the Chesapeake Bay http://www.juliereardon.com/images/upload/8026300-R1-049-23.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Kent, the picture is almost too small to tell, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@Hotmail.com, September 13, 2006 at 07:07:22 What Traci said! He looks like he has a fine looking head but its hard to tell that far away. Take a close up of his head and post it up! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Mea Culpa, Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 13, 2006 at 07:20:22 Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa for not using the word "discussion" instead of vote. I still question a "lame duck" president for putting a discussion of two applicants for ACC AKC delegate on the agenda. For what purpose?! And, with apparently two other people in the wings also thinking of/or sending resumes for the position. And I still question these names being before the Board for “discussion”, when the public announcement of the position’s opening was only recently made to the membership. Members should realize that any topic for discussion can be turned into a vote even if there was no formal pre-listed voting motion. As an example, the asterisk which appeared after each candidate’s name was approved during a discussion at the December 2000 teleconference. No formal voting motion was listed prior to the discussion. The use of the asterisks approval actually was never even assigned a motion #. Members need only read the minutes of the teleconference published in the ACC Bulletin to see this. I have no "spy" system as has been alleged-what an absurd idea! I simply ask questions occasionally to a board member who doesn’t feel all board business needs to be so confidential; and revealing what, if anything, went on at a teleconference. NO SPIES. NO INTRIGUE. A few weeks ago on this very board, Angie Cox suggested I work on my ideas regarding the show rules and SS judge selection. I declined saying it likely would be a waste of my time. I was right. On the recent agenda was a voting motion for changes to the show rules. All of this highlights the cusp of the difference in the candidate’s attitudes to how the club will be managed. By your votes, you will get the club you deserve. Dyane Permission to forward. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Brian Cox-Anger Management, Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 13, 2006 at 07:29:37 JoAnn writes speechless. Unfortunately I have seen such a diatribe like this before from you. Last year you sent in an angry email to the JBEC about a letter written to the committee by another member. And since Angie is the committee member not you, should I also accuse you of "spying"? You don’t know me well or Jo Ann for that matter. She can and has answered for herself. Your comments about me, etc., I will not dignify with answers. It would be pointless anyway. There is a lot of anger in your post. It really only hurts you that you harbor such feelings. I have moved on beyond letting comments like yours mean anything to me. You might consider getting help in an anger management class. Too bad you and the other person (who has posted to this list with anger too) do not live close enough so that you could carpool together. Dyane Baldwin ***************** End Of Article ****************** Thanks!, Traci C, t-cahillREMOVE@sbcglobal.net, September 13, 2006 at 07:32:16 This lake we were at had a few docks and I tried getting Jake to jump off them. He would, but never in that dock-dog style. I'd walk him back to get a good running start, make him sit-stay. Then go to the end of the dock and throw the bumper out and release him. He'd run to the end of the dock and skid to a stop, then prance and whine, then just jump in. But with no style at all! LOL! But, I'm not trying to create a dock-dog anyway, we were just having fun. So later when he was just retrieving from shore (not dock) he found that spot in the lake with the drop off. He started doing these beautiful leaps. Tom's over fishing and I'm yelling "Tom, look at this!!" Needless to say, my husband and I are looking for some country (weekend) property on a private lake to build a small house. :) Traci ***************** End Of Article ****************** In response, Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 13, 2006 at 07:35:27 Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa for not using the word "discussion" instead of vote. I still question a "lame duck" president for putting a discussion of two applicants for ACC AKC delegate on the agenda. For what purpose?! And, with apparently two other people in the wings also thinking of/or sending resumes for the position. And I still question these names being before the Board for “discussion”, when the public announcement of the position’s opening was only recently made to the membership. Members should realize that any topic for discussion can be turned into a vote even if there was no formal pre-listed voting motion. As an example, the asterisk which appeared after each candidate’s name was approved during a discussion at the December 2000 teleconference. No formal voting motion was listed prior to the discussion. The use of the asterisks approval actually was never even assigned a motion #. Members need only read the minutes of the teleconference published in the ACC Bulletin to see this. I have no "spy" system as has been alleged-what an absurd idea! I simply ask questions occasionally to a board member who doesn’t feel all board business needs to be so confidential; and revealing what, if anything, went on at a teleconference. NO SPIES. NO INTRIGUE. A few weeks ago on this very board, Angie Cox suggested I work on my ideas regarding the show rules and SS judge selection. I declined saying it likely would be a waste of my time. I was right. On the recent agenda was a voting motion for changes to the show rules. All of this highlights the cusp of the difference in the candidate’s attitudes to how the club will be managed. By your votes, you will get the club you deserve. Dyane Permission to forward. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Wow! Poetry in Motion!, Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 07:35:51 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hooray for Britt!, Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 07:38:40 Dear Kath, Glad you are okay and Britt only had to pull out his "guarding hat" to get the job done. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Still no citation?, Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 13, 2006 at 07:39:48 Gina, You are talking about government not a corporation. If the Bulletin were timely though important items and topic discussions could be printed there and electronically so all members can see what is going on. Like openings of important positions or rule changes or program changes, etc. Nothing about this stuff is ever so immediate. The ONLY thing for the ACC is that ALL members must have access to voting issues. Those are: approving changes to the standard, changes to the consitution, elections and dissolution of the club. You could not send out ballots electronically only for these. Dyane ***************** End Of Article ****************** AKC ? I HOPE THIS IS NOT TRUE, R C GUTERMUTH, canvasbackREMOVEchesapeakes@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 07:53:23 I just got an e mail from my birth mom, a boxer breeder, a forward from one of her fellow KC members that indicates the BoD of AKC voted to set up a deal with Petland discount stores to have the pups that are sold in those stores registered on line at the time of sale. The delegate body is reported to have vapor locked over the idea and entertained a motion to overturn the BoD. Anyone have a clue as to the veracity of this report? IF its true then AKC has set itself back a century or more in the fight against puppy mills. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: big hugs for Britt, Pat, jarvis.jREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 08:09:35 Wish you could bring one of your dogs inside with you when the last of the other employees leave. Pat ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Still no citation?, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 08:28:47 "Everyone should have fair access to information that will allow them to weigh in on issues." Fair access is not the same thing as equal access. In your example of posting things on City Hall, this is fair, but certainly not equal. I say this, because those with monbility problems, people without vehicles to get them to City Hall, etc. would be left out of the process. It's just an example of how fairness and equality differ. You are never going to get 100% equal access to every individual. But utilizing the internet is "fair", in that a large number of members (better than 75%) have internet access listed in the directory (and many who do not have e-mail listings actually have e-mail; just choose to not make it public). It is "fair" because whether a person does or does not have access to the internet is primarily a choice, not a discrimination issue. The internet is available to all, not an elite few. Even people who cannot afford computers can use the public library, Kinko's or other access points. So, it is fair, just not equal. Nothing is equal. Those who do not have e-mail can certainly track things through the Bulletin as well. We just need to improve the Bulletin time schedule, so that it comes out regularly. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC ? I HOPE THIS IS NOT TRUE, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 08:33:21 You can register any dog online, regardless of where you buy it. If Petland has set up their purchasing system so that people can register online at time of purchase, that has nothing to do with AKC. You could do the exact same thing at home, with your own computer. Just sit your puppy buyer down, hop on the internet, and guide them through the registration process. I actually think it's a good thing. So many dogs in this breed don't ever even get registered, because their owners don't need papers in the duck blind. I wish I had had this option open to me when I had my litters back when! Used correctly, it is a great educational tool. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC ? I HOPE THIS IS NOT TRUE, Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 13, 2006 at 08:41:35 There was just a delegate's meeting. Not sure if they went back to holding board meetings at the same time or not. You should be able to check on line soon as they print a report of the meetings ASAP. However, Lisa is right. There is nothing now to prevent them from doing this anyway. AKC has always been on the side that the dog deserves its registration. Dyane ***************** End Of Article ****************** It gets even worse!, JoAnn Colvin, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 08:43:29 If you receive the AKC Gazette, take a look at pg. 98. There has been a preliminary discussion on an AKC listing service for non-registerable mixed breed dogs. This opens the door for goldendoodles, puggles, and all those other designer dogs, maybe even chesadors? It states it will be further discussed in Oct. This is why the AKC Delegate position is so important, although AKC often bypasses the delegates when a new policy will add to the coffers. JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Too funny to let go unnoticed!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 08:46:40 Further down the page, Julie posted: "Brand spankin new 4WD JD, 75HP, every bell & whistle including AC and CD player in the cab, and Usher (DOug's Truck/Tractor dog) even has a collar to match. I'll have to put him in the bucket and take a picture. We'll be ready when the next dead horse appears in the driveway! (BTW...the tractor is Doug's. Mine is a 25HP, 25 yr. old YanMar painted JD green!) No we're not rednecks w/his n her tractors....." I now nominate Julie and Doug to the Dead Horse Relocation Engineer position. Hey, they have experience, and they have the (dead) horse power to Git-R-Done! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** This is one of the times..., Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 08:52:45 ...where I disagree with JoAnn. (See, I am not just a bobble-head! LOL! Now that image is really funny, to those who know me!) If they insist on neuter/spay before listing, which I am sure they will do, as they have done for ILPs, then this isn't much of a problem. You can't stop people from breeding designer dogs; they are already doing it. But what this does do, as a plus, is allow people to participate in companion events (obedience, tracking, agility, rally). I think this is a great way to introduce people to the sport of purebred dogs. They get their feet wet showing their mixed breed (I did, back when I was a pre-teen!) and then they want to do more, conformation showing or performance events. Well, they will need to acquire a purebred for that, so the hook is set from that point forward. The Kennel Club in the UK has allowed mixes in their versions of companion events for many decades. Hasn't hurt their purebred dog activities. In fact, they have a much larger percentage of their population engaged in various dog sports than we do! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** AKC is all about the $$$$$$, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 13, 2006 at 09:06:23 I guess the huge media plug for these designer mutts combined with the flow of dollars going to upstart registries has made them sit up and take notice. You can hardly turn on the news these days without another story about some celeb buying a puggle, or labradoodle, or one of the other spendy mutts. Although, I tend to agree with Lisa. If done right (mandatory spay/neuter, "registration number" only similar to ILPs that might state some generic thing like crossbred or other PC term for mongrel) it might be a very good tool to advance dog activities if they're then allowed to compete in performance events. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Congrats Mary & Kimo and I hate even to ask...., Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 13, 2006 at 09:13:12 How's Kimo's rehab going? Will he be good to go? Hugs to him and Scout... Super, super congrats on qualifying for the Nationals in TWO venues--what a good boy. Outstanding! As I recall, the agility nationals are televised, aren't they? I remember Doug calling me in to watch it--one of Ann Williscroft's CBRs (Georgie I think) in the finals w/9 Border collies--really cool stuff and great coverage. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC is all about the $$$$$$, JoAnn, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 09:15:14 I agree for the mixed breeds already in existence. What I don't like is that this policy will encourage more and more of these expensive mutts to be bred. It legitimizes them to some extent. JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Too funny to let go unnoticed!, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 13, 2006 at 09:23:53 you have a Yes vote from me ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: It gets even worse!, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 13, 2006 at 09:29:15 oh yes and the AKC is complaining that registrations are down and that is a big money income for them. Puppy buyers always ask if the sire and dam are AKC registered but a lot of times they don't register their puppies. They see no need to. Also a lot of the commercial breeders that sell to pet shops have been suspended by the AKC, so they sell their puppies with registration to the other registries such as States Kennel Club Now you have the doodles and I think that is where AKC is wanting to list mixed breeds. Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC is all about the $$$$$$, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 13, 2006 at 09:30:57 you are right Julie it is all about those designer dogs and the AKC wants in. ***************** End Of Article ****************** tell me about it.. I wish too!!, Kath, koldingREMOVE@aptalaska.net, September 13, 2006 at 09:31:48 I have often thought how nice it would be to do that too.... but its against the law to have a dog in there. But I am learning to trust in the Lord more as a result instead of relying on my dogs :c) But in this case I felt the Lord was saying be safe and just call for someone to come see you out. have a great day Kath ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC is all about the $$$$$$, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 13, 2006 at 09:34:00 I am afraid they are here to stay and getting more and more recognition with the blind public wanting a non shedding dog. I had two of them in my pet therapy class last night, these were the "Austrilian Labradoodles" and not to be confused with USA Labradoodles. The breeders get offended if you don't refer to them as "Austrilian" those are the "pure" breed Labradoodles ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 13, 2006 at 09:35:44 we will be there and looks like Stan will be joining us this year, not sure what class I can enter him in....... ***************** End Of Article ****************** As an aside, we had a labradoodle in our obedience class, H. Hauser, molly@REMOVEdoggeek.com, September 13, 2006 at 09:50:06 He was completely out of control and of course not neutered because his "breeder" didn't want the owners to have him fixed. The wife even said she wanted to have him fixed but I guess they were seeing dollar signs and decided against it. He IS second generation after all! I ended up bagging the last couple weeks of that class because the out-of-control dogs enrolled made it intolerable. *sigh* I wish we had a decent, affordable obedience class around here... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: It gets even worse!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 10:16:58 Actually, the idea of allowing mixes in companion events has been brought up periodically for several decades. I myself "campaigned" for this when I was showing my mutt in fun match obedience. And it has been quite a few decades since I was a teenager! The difference that people are noticing is that AKC is now much more transparent. those other attempts to allow mixed breeds in obedience never got the attention of the public, because everything was closed-door until very recently. So nobody ever knew what the AKC board was considering, or what they voted on. no minutes were published. Certainly the discussion sessions of BoD and Delegates were never published, like they are now. So maybe those rumors need to be laid to rest. What has changed is the transparency. This isn't a new issue by a long shot. Certainly pre-dates the "doodles"! As far as AKC being concerned about money...well, I certainly hope so! Nothing is free, and AKC came dangerously close to having to file bankruptcy a couple of years ago. They have improved that considerably, but consider how your life would change if the only option you had was one of the bogus registries! Food for thought. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Has either of you..., Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 10:26:00 ...ever ILP'd a dog? It isn't easy, and it isn't cheap. There aren't that many dogs that receive ILP numbers, because of this. I rather doubt that there will be many mixes that receive numbers, either. Most people are too lazy to jump through the hoops. And since they wouldn't be able to breed their little darlings, the only people who would take advantage of this are those seriously interested in competition. This isn't "registration", it is listing of the dog, so that it can be tracked during competitions, and receive a title certificate. It's this type of hysteria-mongering, frankly, that causes good ideas to get shot down. Witness spayed/neutered veterans, for instance. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** A fer instance, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 10:48:11 AKc issues ILP numbers overall, not by breed. So each number is given out sequentially. Dog #300 could be a poodle, dog #301 could be a cocker, and so forth. In my database, I have all the titled dogs, including ILP ones. Now, the ILP program has been in existence for AT LEAST 30 years, probably closer to 40. I was ILPing dogs when I was a kid. In that time, a little over 100,000 ILP numbers have been issued. That's it, that's all. All breds, 30+ years. We are not talking about a huge numnber of dogs, here. Certainly not a significant revenue source for AKC! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Sorry!, JoAnn, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 10:53:44 Can't convince me on this one. It was a big topic of discussion at my kennel club last night. If it comes to a vote, i know our kennel club delegate will be instructed to vote no. JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC is all about the $$$$$$, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 13, 2006 at 11:04:19 I have no real objection to the ILP concept for mixed breeds, and have said this before....not much different than ILP for unregistered 'purebreds' as many of them are really mixed breeds anyway that look like a purebred. It forces the spay neuter concept and contributes to making responsible owners out of the people who are doing performance competition. I am a life member and Vice President of an AKC member obedience club. We certainly don't turn away people from our training classes because they have mixed breed dogs and in fact encourage them to register their dogs with the mixed breed dog clubs in hopes of promoting even more responsible ownership and the spay/neuter factor required of all dogs. A last comment is that by allowing these mixed breeds to join AKC on ILP registrations, you are also putting the owners in with the owners of mixed breed dogs and I can almost guarantee that many of these mixed breed owners will go with a registered purebred the next time after seeing what the dogs can do and talking to responsible owners and breeders. Just my two cents worth. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Sorry!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 11:07:53 What exactly does this hurt? What is the compelling reason to vote this down? That's my underlying question. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: A fer instance, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 13, 2006 at 11:09:32 My roommate's first dog after she joined my obedience club was ILP'd. The dog was a Lab/Aussie mix out of her own aussie bitch who got bred to lord only knows what. Long story short, after Marcie joined County-Wide, she spayed the bitch's mother, ILP her bitch as a lab since that is exactly what she looked like, put an AKC CD on her along with a zillion agility titles, + Flyball dog Champion, then started competing in other agility venues with her. She ended up with a purebred Rottweiler after that who was registered earned her CD, and also followed suit in the other competition. Now she has a rescue Pap and a rescue Pomeranian. The pap is AKC Registered, the Pom will probably by ILP'd if Marcie decides to compete with her. A number of our club members started out the same way with mixed breeds that they either ILP'd or registered with the Mixed Breed Dog club. Now they have purebreds they compete with. I think that to object to this is snobbery to be perfectly honest as I've seen this system work time and again to the advantage of the purebred because it creates responsible owners who see what they can do in a very responsible way. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC is all about the $$$$$$, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 13, 2006 at 11:11:28 Actually JoAnn, I think over time it will reduce the number of mixed breed mutts being bred because of the conversion over to the purebred side of the dogs once they owners are exposed to it through the AKC registry. When people stop buying the expensive mixed breeds and go to purebreds, the breeders of the mixed breeds will have no choice but to stop breeding or they will get stuck with all their puppies. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** If nothing else..., Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 11:20:10 ...it encourages people to go beyond just a CGC-level. If they get bitten by the dog-showing bug, they can't go beyond CGC with a mutt. So they stop there. Nothing to encourage them to try higher-level stuff, nothing to encourage them to stay in the sport. As far as a mixed-breed ILP encouraging breeding MORE doodles, I just don't see it. Breeders don't initiate ILP listings, the owner has to contact AKC directly to get the forms. So breeders can't sell them as "AKC". They'll stick to the bogus registries that will churn out "registration certificates" for entire litters with the push of a button. That way, the pups are "papered" when people come to see the litter. That doesn't happen with ILPs. In fact, there's no point in even contacting AKC until after the dog is spayed/neutered, which means several months of age, at least. So most people who sell doodles "with papers" aren't going to be attracted to AKC's program. I know breders went through their histrionics when ILP first came about. Positive this would cut into their business. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most people are blissfully unaware of the existence of the ILP program. I rather doubt that people say "Hey, I won't buy a registered puppy from X, I'll just get one from the newspaper and ILP it instead." Rather, those who utilize the ILP system are usually people with their first dog, one they got from the pound or a rescue group. Took it to obedience class, got amazed when they saw what the open/utility dogs could do, and decided to pursue AKC titles with their little "no-name" dog. Dog #2 is almost always something they buy from a breeder. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: This is one of the times..., R C GUTERMUTH, canvasbackREMOVEchesapeakes@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 11:31:15 AKC has always been the registry of pure bred dogs. If they are in need of sheckels, then they should start up a subsidiary registry to register mutts, xbreeds, or Heinz57s what ever the PC term is. OR they could do like NAHRA does and issue a # which allows the dog to participate in ob, agility or whatever games are AKC sponsored and oben to ALL breeds. The ILP should be used as it has been to allow those who own an unregistered 'purebred' to compete in hunt tests or herding tests or whatever. Personally I do not want to see AKC become part and parcel to encouraging ownership of mixed breeds or worse yet getting involved in an enterprise that may encourage puppy buyers to buy from a source other than a reputable breeder. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: This is one of the times..., Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 11:44:08 See my other posts regarding this matter. "issue a # which allows the dog to participate in ob, agility or whatever games are AKC sponsored and oben to ALL breeds" This is the plan. The plan encompasses companion events, not performance events. So no HT, herding trials, or anything else. Just obedience, tracking, rally & agility, as I stated in my first post on this topic. Also, see my comments regarding ILP registration statistics. AKC lists less than 2,000 ILP dogs a year. Not a significant revenue source. This is not likely to change with the inclusion of mixed breeds. people who breed mixed breeds won't have a stack of ILP forms to hand out to their puppy buyers. The application has to be obtained directly from AKC, and it is a multi-stage (and expensive) process. Actually, this discussion is probably entirely moot. The ILP program costs the AKC money, doesn't generate it. So chances are, the BoD will not even turn this loose to the Delegates for a vote. It will probably get killed in BoD discussions as a nice idea, but not practical for a corporation that is still digging out of a financial hole. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Sorry!, JoAnn, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 12:11:33 Lisa, You are only guessing at how AKC would register these dogs. You don't know if they will require spay/neutering or not. You don't know if it will work similarly to an ILP number. It's all conjecture since they have not revealed their plan. But the AKC's mission statement is advancement of the sport of pure bred dogs, not register everything and make as much money as you can. I don't find this elitist. There are other registries for mixed breeds. Those that choose to have a mixed breed, pay a ton of money for it, and want it registered can use one of those. I have had several mixed breeds, all were free, and I thoroughly enjoyed them. Two of the best were a weim/choc. lab cross and a lab/golden cross, but I didn't expect them to compete at AKC events. And remember, AKC now has a conflict of interest policy so that their judges may not judge at some of these other registries, so it looks like a rather two-faced position on their part. JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Congrats Mary & Kimo and I hate even to ask...., mary, mkearnsREMOVE@wfubmc.edu, September 13, 2006 at 13:32:50 So far so good - I am just back from today's trip and he trotted for the first time. !!! I am doing 2 walks/day with him and any time other than that he is still wearing his brace. Next week we get a lighter brace. He will just be coming out of rehab between Thanksgiving and Christmas - so no for us. I think George and Annette might be our only representatives and they will both do an awesome job. It is cool that both of Ann's dogs got invited for agility. This is the first year of an agility invitational so don't know what will be televised. I have never seen AKC obedience on TV. I think what you saw was maybe the finals of the Incredible Dog Challenge, but am not sure about that. Anway, congrats to all. It is exciting. mary ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC ? I HOPE THIS IS NOT TRUE, Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 14:04:12 The thing that I find very funny about the whole thing is that the American Kennel Club is dealing with Petland (a pet shop enterprise). In the past, the AKC policy was that these were evil empires, akin to sleeping with the devil. Hope some good comes out of it for the dogs. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Sorry!, mary kearns, MkearnsREMOVE@wfubmc.edu, September 13, 2006 at 14:14:18 Our club has enough "discussions" at our meetings, we don't need AKC to generate a topic for us. :) We are an AKC member club, but our primary goal is to provide Beg I - CGC classes for the public. ( Remember AKC now collects money and sends a certificate to ANY dog that passes a CGC test ). We have several members who only have shelter mixes and the only thing our club provides for them is Flyball and a NADAC trial. Surprisingly, it is some purebred owners who are for this as a way to provide more for our "mix " members. On the other hand, others object because it will make it more difficult for them to get in competitive tests - like tracking - if there are more entries. Just some more thougts, mary ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lorrie - I think u have a real friend here :) , mary, mkearnsREMOVE@wfubmc.edu, September 13, 2006 at 14:49:55 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Sorry!, R C GUTERMUTH, canvasbackREMOVEchesapeakes@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 14:50:20 Those who take a mutt home from the pound or pick up a stray off the street are in a totally different category than those who choose to buy the "pure bred mutt of the month" in my book. The folks who open their homes and hearts to pups of dubious ancestry aren't generally trying to make a $$$ of an unsuspecting public. A registry opened up to oodles and other mixes that are bred on purpose and by design by folks who see $$$$ in their future is not something I want to see or hear about from AKC. Such folks are as much a blight on the sport of dogs as are the puppy millers of the world. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: 2006 Invitational Agility & Obed, mary, mkearnsREMOVE@wfubmc.edu, September 13, 2006 at 14:52:25 Valerie and her new puppy Vika and Kimo and myself might make a last minute decision to come up for a few days. But my Visa card is starting to scream - NO MORE. mary ***************** End Of Article ****************** Oh Yah, Well!!!, Dave B., peake1REMOVE@zoominternet.net, September 13, 2006 at 15:00:59 Lisa, Once again (as in many times in the past) your information and statements are incorrect. Apparently you were not in the Amish BYB kennels of PA/OH or the Backwoods Mills of MO this summer and saw first hand the "healthy" turnout of future ILP field trial "Chesadoodles" preparing to compete in the All Breed Trials. There are also quite a few nice young potential ILP Peakadoodles on the Appalachian Coast that have been in advanced training. In addition, there are a number of field C-Doodles under a year old being trained right now as I write this that are out of "alternative" field breedings (see old school "Chesadors", Oh Yah!!!) that come from a very, very "LONG LINE" of productive Chesadoodles ILP FIELD TRIAL dogs...OK not to long?!? There are too many people I know to list that have a long history with the FIELD side of this breed that have young C-Doodles they are presently training. I also know of many first time trainers/owners that are working hard with their well bred FIELD 'doodles to compete not only in field trials but the hunt test venue. And there are numerous people I know looking for Chesadoodle FIELD pups, including several pros. We may not have the breed field trial numbers or diversity that was present 2 months ago (well, never hehe) but the FIELD side of the Chesapadoodle is alive and well. So be "SAD AND ANGRY" since most of us could care less what you think. That goes for all the rest of the people on this board who have never experienced the joy of training, owning or competing with an ILP ALL AGE CHESADOODLE RETRIEVER FIELD TRIAL DOG. Have a great day! Dave - ROFLMAO! ;) Yep, he's bored today! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, JoAnn, calicocbrREMOVE@verizon.net, September 13, 2006 at 15:11:38 Joanne, I will really miss being there this year. But as far as Stan goes, I'm afraid is Veteran Dog, 11 and over! JoAnn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: big hugs for Britt, Kriss, cheesiepeakeREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 15:33:34 Hooray for Britt! and also a big hug for his "mom" for keeping her cool and doing what was needed to stay safe. Kriss ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Too funny to let go unnoticed!, JohnN, nospam@nospamREMOVE.com, September 13, 2006 at 15:39:41 I want pictures! :-) -john ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Oh Yah, Well!!!, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 13, 2006 at 15:50:20 Dave, I am curious. Could you please explain the difference between a Chesadoodle and a Peakadoodle for me? Also, do you feel the reason the C-Doodle has become so successful is because they haven't been ruined by the show people? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Grrr, Show Doodles !@#* :eye roll:, Dave B., peake1REMOVE@zoominternet.net, September 13, 2006 at 16:16:06 nt ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Too funny to let go unnoticed!, Dave B., peake1REMOVE@zoominternet.net, September 13, 2006 at 16:22:46 Sounds like the making of a new CMT Country Fried Video clip?! ;) Dave - Who wonders if they both sing Kenny Chesney's "I think his/her tractors sexy it really turns me on..." as their plowing up the fields?? Or was it "John Deer Green", hmmm... ***************** End Of Article ****************** how about these heads ; ), Juli, stil_taxidermyREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 16:42:29 this is a picture of a couple of the pups from the litter my new pup, Dayzee, is coming from....too cute a picture not to share! : ) [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4830/02626xf0.jpg[/IMG][/URL] ***************** End Of Article ****************** how about these heads ; ), Juli, stil_taxidermyREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 16:43:07 this is a picture of a couple of the pups from the litter my new pup, Dayzee, is coming from....too cute a picture not to share! : ) [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4830/02626xf0.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Required if you enter a URL [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4830/02626xf0.jpg[/IMG][/URL] ***************** End Of Article ****************** how about these heads ; ), Juli, stil_taxidermyREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 16:43:31 this is a picture of a couple of the pups from the litter my new pup, Dayzee, is coming from....too cute a picture not to share! : ) http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4830/02626xf0.jpg Required if you enter a URL [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4830/02626xf0.jpg[/IMG][/URL] ***************** End Of Article ****************** drats!, Juli, stil_taxidermyREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 16:45:42 okay - so I can't get the dang picture to come up!!!!!! LOL! Juli ***************** End Of Article ****************** last attempt, Juli, stil_taxidermyREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 13, 2006 at 16:53:49 see if this pic works...... sometimes I think it's probably not a good thing that I feel dummer than my computer...LOL http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8987/02626gk4.jpg puppies ***************** End Of Article ****************** Cane headshot - posting for Kent, Traci C, t-cahillREMOVE@sbcglobal.net, September 13, 2006 at 17:41:10 http://www.hunt101.com/img/433999.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Need advice from new parents. Dog/baby question. (longer than my 3 paragraph rule! :), Martha, cbayretREMOVE@aol.com, September 13, 2006 at 18:03:44 Hi Traci! I used to post here a lot when I was active in rescue, but have been out of touch for the last several years..... busy with our 22 month old and 7 month old babies. We weren't obsessive about preparing our 3 chessies for the first baby's arrival. We brought her home from the hospital and let each dog sniff her. They were very interested when she cried or made noises, but it really didn't take them long to get used to her. We made it very clear that they were not allowed to jump up around her or get too close to her when she was little. They are smart...they are Chessies!!! Ours really seemed to understand that this new person was not a toy and was very important to us. Funny thing is, we have one Chessie who at 5 yrs old will eat ANYTHING, but he doesn't touch the kids' toys. I know that all our dogs would protect the children if necessary, but I would NEVER trust them alone with the kids. The most useful thing we did was purchase several baby gates for both the children's and dogs' protection. Good luck with your new baby!! Martha and family in NC ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: YUP..., Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 13, 2006 at 18:25:36 I adore Lex and his antics. What a fun loving great dude. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: No spies, darn this was just getting interesting again. , Donna , staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 13, 2006 at 18:28:06 No cloaks, no daggers...how boring. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Maybe this will work........., Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 13, 2006 at 20:47:52 http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8987/02626gk4.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Pet;land here in Omaha, Therese Terschuren, klassicaljazzREMOVE@netzero.com, September 13, 2006 at 20:50:30 I don't know about what Petland does in other areas of the country, but here in Omaha, they sell puppies and kittens. They get them from puppy mills and other suspect places... I won't even go into the store, no less buy anything from them. I tell all my friends to not go in to even look at the animals. So my question is.... how does AKC rationalize any contact whatsoever with this company... Therese ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 13, 2006 at 21:37:33 sorry you won't be joining us Ok that is a good Class for Stan Joanne ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 13, 2006 at 21:38:52 great another Brown Clown, now how do you breed that out of a pedigree ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 13, 2006 at 21:41:22 now Susie if you think we see a Cabana Boy do you think we would share.... ***************** End Of Article ****************** CA. Electronics code (from below), Brian Cox, chesacolaREMOVE@aol.com, September 13, 2006 at 21:58:38 JoAnn and all, Well looks like I was wrong and was given some incorrect information hmmmm must have been from a JoAnn supporter :-) lol and when I am wrong I will be the first to admit it. I apologize to all. I searched the CA. codes and did not find anything just as Lisa and George did so I emailed the ACC Legislative Liaison and the reply is below. Dyane, Anger Management LMAO now that was funny guess you do have a sense of humor afterall. Brian Cox I have a question for you about posting the board agenda and voting pages to the official ACC list prior to a meeting or vote for the purpose of getting members input,I was told this could not be done under the CA. electronics code which basically said that no official club business could be electronically posted because such information had to go to all club members and not all the members belong to the chessie list or have internet access. So my question is do you have any knowledge or information about this code? The Reply: No statute would cover posting the board agenda or matters to be voted for review and/or input of members, because this is NOT official business of the club. This is a critical distinction and one that needs to be understood. It is the legal responsibility of the BOARD to manage the club (i.e. the corporation) and when, whether and how to seek input of members is a matter of DISCRETION for the board. Club members have no specific rights to obtain board agendas or matters to be voted. Rather their rights to inspect records is covered by statute and more limited than those of directors. There is a difference between a board adequately researching and seeking input on specific topics and posting its actual agenda and matters to be voted. Besides the statutory problem of board action by less than unanimous written consent, a large problem with mail votes before ACC instituted conference call board meetings was that the directors simply did not have enough information or the opportunity to develop information and consensus. However, this is a board process of reflection on members' views and the need to sort out priorities and sometimes seek expert advice within the context of board meetings where executive session and confidentiality should protect this process. It's that process where there seems to have been a lapse in recent times and may -- I don't really know -- reflect less communication among board members than between the board and the membership at large. The directors of the 2 other parent clubs I work with use a private email group to communicate informally among themselves, so that they have a better idea what they are going to be dealing with and how best to inform members on particular topics. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rescue Fundraising at ACC Training Day in VA and National in Ohio, Gina, ginadownin@att.netREMOVE, September 14, 2006 at 03:42:20 Hello All, I just wanted to let everyone know that CBRR&R will be selling items at both events listed above to raise money for stray, unwanted, abused, or neglected Chesapeakes. Get a fine, braided show lead for the Specialty. Purchase glass beer mugs with a Chesapeake on them. We'll even have nice looking "Dogs in Yard" signs. Maybe Rita Peters can share more info. about other items available at the Specialty. Please visit us at both events and support CBR rescue efforts. gina ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOL - Lex has plans..., Lorrie, Lorrie_JohnsonREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 14, 2006 at 04:14:15 Lex can't wait to teach his cousins "many ways to embarrass your Mommy". He has his lesson plans all done :>) Tell Sunny and Cash to get ready! Lorrie & Lex ***************** End Of Article ****************** Lex and Agility - a new Blue Ribbon, Lorrie, Lorrie_JohnsonREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 14, 2006 at 04:31:23 Since everyone enjoyed Lex's agility "run" at the Nationals last year so much... I had to share his latest accomplishment. :>) I entered a local trial on Sunday (couldn't do Saturday) and I'm happy to report that Lex finally earned his first Novice Standard leg with a perfect score of 100 and a first place. The run really was perfect, well under time, and no sniffing on the table. So...I really do train this dog and when he's good, he's very good. And when he's bad, well... His Open JWW run was typical of the Lex you all know and love - he made up his own course but at least he stayed in the ring! He still thinks he should jump every jump he sees whether it's the next one or not. I have no idea what he'll do in agility in Ohio - he likes to keep me guessing. Lorrie & Lex ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Lex and Agility - a new Blue Ribbon, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 14, 2006 at 05:34:12 Auntie Susie is very proud of Lex :o) Tell him to just ignore mean Auntie Donna (vbg) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 14, 2006 at 05:39:48 Just a thought, you could enter him in the Stud class. Let me know if you do and I'll bring Kirk. We might be able to swing a major! ROFLMAO ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: NSS: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 14, 2006 at 05:43:36 Sure I will share! When I find one, I'll need some help because I won't know what to do with him! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: NSS: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 14, 2006 at 05:47:05 Were are you staying? ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Rescue Fundraising at ACC Training Day in VA and National in Ohio, Rita P, ritapetersREMOVE@verizon.net, September 14, 2006 at 05:48:03 We have bits and pieces coming from numerous volunteers. If everything shows up that is supposed to, we will also have: leather leashes leather collars braided leashes designer collars (similar to the all-american collar) homemade dog treats Chessie decals Chessie license plates Dog-themed jewelry CBRRR totes CBRRR t-shirts We have a Christina A painting and a handmade quilt. We greatly appreciate both items which were donated by the artists!! Rita ***************** End Of Article ****************** Why Join the ACC? (again...HELP!), Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 14, 2006 at 06:04:57 OK...I started a 1-page letter with the main points of why a Ches. owner should join the ACC; even if the dog is "just" a pet, rescue, hunter, etc., that it's not just a club for people who (show, breed, HT, FT, other performance events) There were some very good reasons to join on a thread which has now dissppeared I wanted to include. The ones I have are: 1.) the Bulletin is excellent & worth the price of admission 2.) Keeper of the standard..Voice of the breed in the AKC 3.) track/provide input on canine and hunting legislation 4.) Find members near you (Directory) 5.) keeper of history 6.) Fund research for health related issues I know there were some other good reasons posted, bring em on! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Why Join the ACC? (again...HELP!), Kevin Shaffer, KevinsREMOVE@leer.com, September 14, 2006 at 06:22:05 Provide/find mentors for those new to the breed. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Too funny to let go unnoticed!, Kevin Shaffer, KevinsREMOVE@leer.com, September 14, 2006 at 06:49:43 So, when we get rid of all the dead horses, and the tractor is wore out. We'll be changing the phrase to "Junk Tractors". That may deserve a tee shirt! ***************** End Of Article ****************** That's A Good Question. I Sure Don't Have An Answer., Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 14, 2006 at 07:07:23 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Lex and Agility - a new Blue Ribbon, bonnie s., chicklet40REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 14, 2006 at 07:53:30 Auntie Bonnie was lucky enough to get to see both runs, and his standard run was a think of beauty to behold, his JWW run was also a demonstration of high spirits and enthusiasm!! Roo Roo and Congrats to Lex!! Sally Gervin's Mico also had a beautiful run over the weekend and qualified, which is more that Blaze (aka Boo boo Kitty) did in her 6 glorious runs, she went 0 for6 in Q's! (it was her first competition since Jan and no class and very little training, she did well but, ahh well, no green!) I am sure Lex will be quite the athelete at the National, and cant wait to see him paying attention to his mom LIKE I KNOW HE CAN DO! Roo roo and congrats to Lex and Lorrie from Auntie Bonnie and cousin Blaze ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Congrats Mary & Kimo and I hate even to ask...., Ann Williscroft, awilliscroftREMOVE@cox.net, September 14, 2006 at 08:43:20 glad to hear Kimo is soon to be out of rehab. I think it's so incredible that Kimo got invited to both the obedience and the agility...that's such a great accomplishment and points out the versatility that Chesapeakes are famous for...if there was a field invitational he would be in that too, I'll bet. I hope George decided to run Merry in the invitational...I tried every way I could think of to make it work for us to go, but 3000 miles driving by myself to CA, plus driving in LA, plus juggling both dogs in who knows what type of environment...I just couldn't do it. Sadly, next year will probably be the same. The good news is that AKC announced that if any of the top five dogs decline, they will issue more invitations for the dogs on down the line. So at least four more Chesapeakes will be invited the #6,7,8&9 and maybe #10 also if George doesn't go. I submitted a list of the top ten invitees to the bulletin for the next issue. The national that you saw George run on NBC was the Purina invitational from 2004. Someone else wanted to see it also, so I put a clip of just George's run on my webpage here: http://members.cox.net/awilliscroft/ Ann ***************** End Of Article ****************** Technique for accepting new puppy into the house, Jaymie, jjarman123REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 14, 2006 at 08:48:05 I heard this on a pet talk radio show (no pets weren’t calling in). It was advice to help a dog accept a new puppy coming into the home. The host said to have a stuffed animal that you treat like a puppy in front of the established dog. You should pet it, talk to it, love on it all while giving attention and love to the established dog. Then when you bring in the new puppy your dog will see that he will still get love and attention even with a new puppy in the home. I am thinking of trying this when we get a new chessie. Roux is very attached to me as you know they can be. She does not really like it when I pet the Sheltie who is my husband’s “baby”. She doesn’t growl or snap or act ugly in any way but she will come over and stick her head in my lap for some love. What do you guys think of this technique? ***************** End Of Article ****************** HAHAHAHAHA!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 14, 2006 at 08:59:51 Now you got my imagination fired up! DHS logo in front, picture of a JD with a BIIIIG bucket, and "Relocation Engineer" title in big letters. I think members of the cleanup crew should be easily identified, don't you? LOL! Hey, you could wear it while you scoop the yard. "I'm not scooping poop, I'm optimizing its location." Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Pet;land here in Omaha, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 14, 2006 at 09:02:42 AKC doesn't do business with Petland. Pet stores have always carried AKC-registered puppies. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Technique for accepting new puppy into the house, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 14, 2006 at 09:13:02 I think my dogs would come snatch the stuffed animal and rip it to shreds to see if it had a squeaker inside!! LOL...seriously, I don't know. No way is any self respecting CBR going to act the same around a stuffed animal as a puppy. The good news is nearly all adults give a baby puppy a "grace period" where they are incredibly forgiving of puppy stuff. The main thing I'd think would be important is to make sure Roux is not running the house, that she knows who the big dogs are (you and your husband) you don't allow her to posture or snap at the Sheltie or the new pup; and when the pup does come, that she gets her own time with you when the pup is crated and you'll be fine ;-) ***************** End Of Article ****************** Yall just jealous, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@!hhotmail.com, September 14, 2006 at 09:20:41 Now just in case people think we have a brand new JD and no indoor plumbing, the jonny house is just for Sunday.... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Exactly!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 14, 2006 at 09:22:41 "when, whether and how to seek input of members is a matter of DISCRETION for the board." The membership doesn't need to know every minute detail of every thing coming before the BoD. But in situations where something affects the membership and its representation, then those should be posted in some fashion. For instance, does the BoD need to "consult" the membership in matters pertaining to our financial status? NO! Membership needs to be informed via treasurer's reports, but certainly doesn't need their hand in every corporate financial decision (just an example). But...changes to the Website or Bulletin content might benefit from input from members. Changes to WD rules should be posted ahead of a vote. Certainly anything where our AKC delegate was to give a vote, representing this club. Stuff like that would certainly be "safe" to present before the membership. Not communicating anything to the membership isn't "discretion". While it may be equal, in that NOBODY gets any official information, it is most unfair, as Gina points out below. It is unfair because only the few with an "in" even know what is being considered. This gives those few a much larger voice in matters of the ACC than other members with perhaps as much or more of a vested interest in the outcome. Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 14, 2006 at 09:23:53 Really wish we were going, to both the FT Specialty that starts next week AND the show specialty. Good luck everyone and have fun! Puffin is too old (past her prime but not old enough for veterans) the thug is too Thuggish and Usher is too young and I'm too broke this yr. so we hope to make one or both next yr. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Lex and Agility - a new Blue Ribbon, Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 14, 2006 at 09:35:48 Congrats! Give the big lug a kiss. Molly and me and the kids are dring out Tuesday so we will be there to cheer you on (and giggle too, if need be) in Ohio. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Candida, sowdencaREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 14, 2006 at 10:16:33 If it is any consolation, when we were doing agility, Simon's problem was the tunnel. He loved it and would interject it as often as was possible. Sequence???? To him it was jump, tunnel, whatever, tunnel, tunnel, whatever, tunnel, whatever, tunnel, tunnel ----- everytime he'd burst out the other end with a huge chessy grin on his face. Couldn't help but to laugh.... ***************** End Of Article ****************** Congratulations to Lex & Lorrie!, Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 14, 2006 at 10:32:28 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Congrats Lorrie & Lex, mary, mkearnsREMOVE@wfubmc.edu, September 14, 2006 at 11:49:13 Nice job !!! I hear there were quite a few chessies in Harriman. Now - I am thinking that you need to start online ticket sales for Lex's agility runs. They could buy one run for 2 dollars or both runs for 3. You need to get something out of all this :):) mary ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Yall just jealous, Kevin Shaffer, KevinsREMOVE@leer.com, September 14, 2006 at 13:13:15 Do I need to bring my own Penny's catalog, our will you have one. It's been a while since I have been able, to pardon me, "shop and drop". ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: HAHAHAHAHA!, Kevin, kevinsREMOVE@leer.com, September 14, 2006 at 13:20:46 If hockey can have its zamboni. Dog events could have its pooperoni!!! How's that for juices flowing. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Technique for accepting new puppy into the house, Jaymie, jjarman123REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 14, 2006 at 13:30:04 She really is pretty good with the Sheltie. She definitely knows that the people in the house are the boss and I am definitely the top dog of all, LOL. She minds very well. She has had some posturing towards the Sheltie but then I see the Sheltie doing the same thing. We don’t tolerate it one bit and whoever is being a bitch at the time gets in trouble, fussed at, scolded, put outside (the worst punishment they can imagine). I don’t know how much a stuffed animal would fool Roux as she is the smartest dog I have ever had but I figure anything she sees me giving attention to and then seeing me give lots of love to her too could only help. It will still be a couple of years before we get another puppy. Roux will be 7 by then and maybe a little more laid back. Yeah, right. ***************** End Of Article ****************** HA!, kath, KoldingREMOVE@aptalaska.net, September 14, 2006 at 15:10:55 Britt would say IS THAT FOR MEEEE??? HE LOVES stuffed toys..Anything that even remotely LOOKS like a TOY he thinks is his!!! It can be a ceramic lil shelf statue that is colorful and he will SEE it and sit and STARE at it for the longest time with this VERY WISTFUL face longing for it to come down so he can PLAY with it!!!! Dogs know the difference between stuffed toys and live puppies..totally two different things. you could take a box and fawn all over it and supposedly get the same response if that person said was true... My chessies are NOT easily fooled. A toy is a toy and a puppy is a puppy. Its just a hard core approach.. I am bringing a new puppy in the house.. you guys WILL accept it do or die OR else... from there its up to me to lay the foundations for how my adult dogs handle the new comer. I think what happens in the single dog home is that the single dog gets so used to being fawned over all its life that when new pup demands our attention..they do get jealous but again.. its a matter of Tough Love. I dont make ANY big deal over ANY of the adult dogs just because a new pup came into the house. I hug and cuddle the puppy like normal.. but I dont go out of my way to hug and give equal hug attention time to the adult dog. I expect the adult dog to ACT ADULT about it and accept it. I am after the Boss here NOT them. And they know it. Its just par for the course. I guess I have an advantage having multiple dogs in the house. They have all grown up with new dogs/pups coming into our home off and on over the years.. so when any new animal comes to stay or visit.. they are curious about it and then that wears off and pretty soon their attitude is "Moms brought home another baby..sigh.. here we go again!!! teeth, pee spots on the floor..and WE have to put up with it..sigh... " Finally when the pup is about 8-10 wks old they are accustomed to it and are putting up with having to be put up themselves for the protection of the pup or FROM the pup..hahah.... K ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Rescue Fundraising at ACC Training Day in VA and National in Ohio, Ann Williscroft, awilliscroftREMOVE@cox.net, September 14, 2006 at 15:19:03 There will also be an agility match on Tuesday afternoon with entries accepted until noon of that day...proceeds to Chesapeake Rescue. All you agility competitors coming in for the Wednesday morning trial, please join us Tuesday afternoon for the match. Ann Williscroft ***************** End Of Article ****************** Well...I take that back, try this..., Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 14, 2006 at 15:19:54 WHile I still maintain any CBR is way too smart to be fooled by any stuffed animal, I forgot all about Doug's favorite way to rile these dogs up. He will cup his hands together as if he's cradling some precious little thing just above their heads and say in a really syrupy voice: "AWWWWwwwwwww loooook, would you just look" and it never fails to get them leaping around and trying to see what he has. Of course they really probably thinks he has something they can kill! Seriously though, when the time comes to get a new pup, Roux will be fine. You would be amazed at how tolerant they are when the pup is little. By the time it's older (and peskier) it has been taught its place by the adults. I have to say I was a little worried about Usher and how he'd act at retriever training sessions. All his life he's played with his (very tolerant and forgiving) dam, half sis, and littermate til about 3 mos. His regular playmates were my sister's and a good friend's very tolerant Labs so I was worried he'd be way too "in your face" with strange dogs. But via whatever canine social skills he learns and the fact that when out in public I don't let him get near other dogs; I make him pay attention to me and he's been fine. In fact he had his first obedience class Tues. (he's 5 mos.) and he hasn't seen a lot of small dogs which there are quite a few of in the class. I think he thought the Papillon was an h'or d'oeuvre; he seemed fascinated by it and barked once or twice but he was overall a very good boy. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Congrats to you, too Ann, Julie, reardonjleeREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 14, 2006 at 15:31:59 So sorry you and Mary both have to miss it--hope George will go! But what a huge honor to qualify and for Kimo in 2 venues is really something to be proud of. Mary you know I'm doubly sorry not to have the chance to see more action Kimo photos but we are all wishing for the best for his rehab/return to action. Ann, I have dial up at home but next time I have access to a high speed I'll have to have another look. Both Doug and I really enjoyed watching Georgie run with the BCs--we were so proud of her! To us, it was just awesome that the ONLY non border collie in the finals was a CBR and even he was rooting as loudly as if it was a football game. We only last yr. got a dish so being as that was on network TV it was the first time DOug had ever seen agility. You could really see her heart and courage when they showed a close up of the weave poles, the CBR is just built so different from the BCs it almost looked like watching a different species. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Technique for accepting new puppy into the house, Jayne Bennett, jayne.bennettREMOVE@verizon.net, September 14, 2006 at 15:40:52 We have a new kitten, and Ruffie has done really well with him. I don't let them alone together--always supervised. But I haven't really had to climb Ruff about baby kittie--he's been very gentle and sweet. In fact, when my friend's Lab wanted to chase the baby, Ruffie wouldn't let her! I think the main thing is to always supervise, and when you can't supervise, separate rooms or crates or one out and one in. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Technique for accepting new puppy into the house, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 14, 2006 at 17:20:05 Might work for some, but all my chessies are stuffed animal freaks. They love to make a hole in the toy then pluck all the stuffing out. It would be short lives in my house and just fuel their ambition to capture the stuffed animal and destuff it! I think people make much too big a deal out of bringing a puppy home. The puppy should not be allowed to interact with the adult dog until the puppy is used to it's new environment and starts to learn the parameters of proper behavior. The adult dog may watch the puppy from another room by using gates and crates to keep them separated. Let them out together in a fenced yard for short period of times until they get used to each other. Often times making a big deal of the puppy just creates a problem that might not otherwise have been. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Pet;land here in Omaha, Therese Terschuren, klassicaljazzREMOVE@netzero.com, September 14, 2006 at 18:14:00 Hi Lisa, Then where does Petland get the puppies from if they are AKC registered? Therese ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Pet;land here in Omaha, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 14, 2006 at 18:42:43 They get them from the puppy mills who allege to be breeding AKC registered stock. The problem is that even if the parents of the pups are actually the ones they are being registered to, there is no quality, no certifications, no nothing except something with fur and 4 legs that may bear a resemblance to what its alleged to be registered as. Then there are those that are registered but may be sired by yet something else. Sadly, it comes back to the fact that AKC is nothing more than a registry, and unless you can prove the parentage is not the dog purported to be, there is nothing you can do except not buy puppies from pet stores. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Lex and Agility - a new Blue Ribbon, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 14, 2006 at 20:19:17 no laughing ring side when a Brown Clown is in the ring ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Why Join the ACC? (again...HELP!), joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 14, 2006 at 20:22:56 knowledge of local events they can attend ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Technique for accepting new puppy into the house, joanne, silverckREMOVE@carroll.com, September 14, 2006 at 20:26:58 I have a few that would mother it, some that would destroy it, and others that would guard it from the others, but it is a thought and might work in some situations ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Rescue Fundraising at ACC Training Day in VA and National in Ohio, Gina, ginadownin@att.netREMOVE, September 15, 2006 at 04:03:56 That's great, Ann. I didn't know about that. gina ***************** End Of Article ****************** Hey - I could earn back my wasted entry fees!, Lorrie, Lorrie_JohnsonREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 15, 2006 at 04:08:56 Great idea Mary! Do you think I could charge folks to let them watch Joe run Lex in a hunt test too? Now that's some real entertainment :>) Remember that test last spring where Lex got all tangled up in the decoys and drug them across the pond? He finally broke loose, made a little visit to the boys in the blind, eventually got the duck, and then played "keep-away" with Joe on the delivery. Never a dull moment around us....LOL Lorrie & Lex ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Why Join the ACC? (again...HELP!), Lorrie, Lorrie_JohnsonREMOVE@hotmail.com, September 15, 2006 at 04:20:42 Related to #6 above... Have resources available if THEIR chessie has a health problem (ability to share info with other owners, find "chessie-friendly/chessie-knowledgeable" vets, participate in health-related studies) And another for the average "just a pet" owner... Mentoring/help from other ACC members with finding things like a good boarding kennel, puppy and pet obedience classes, pet-friendly hotels or vacation options, etc. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Lex and Agility - a new Blue Ribbon, Pam, BayrtvrsREMOVE@aol.com, September 15, 2006 at 04:43:47 Lorrie and Lex, I knew you could do it. I'm cracking up just picturing him tangled in the decoys. Too funny. Joanne doesnt call them brown clowns for nothing. Dino isnt quite ready for primetime agility yet, but yall can watch him be goofy in the obedience and rally rings. Three cheers for the brown boys!! Pam and the girls +1 ***************** End Of Article ****************** ACC Membership, rick faust, rfaustREMOVE@alphacomm.net, September 15, 2006 at 04:46:53 Was just wondering how long it takes to get into the ACC. I sent my application over a month ago and have not gotten anything back yet. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Dyane's Seminar in Ohio - Question, Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 15, 2006 at 05:15:35 Is there somewhere we are supposed to sign-up, or do we just show up for it Thursday night? I didn't see any info... ***************** End Of Article ****************** LOL!, Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 15, 2006 at 05:42:58 Rummy likes to chew the feet off his stuffed toys. Thankfully, he knows the difference between stuffed toys and Desi. Yup, she still has all 4 of her big, perpetually muddy feet! LOL! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: ACC Membership, Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 15, 2006 at 05:45:56 It can take a couple of months unfortunately :o( Once your application has been received, it is then brought before the board for approval...I believe there was a board meeting this week though :o) You might want to contact the ACC secretary and confirm she got it though. Her E-mail address is: Secretary@amchessieclub.org This is one area (membership) I would really like to see revised in the club. Once an application is received, a simple postcard could be sent out confirming the club recieved the application with an explaination of the process. It would sure save me time if I didn't have to put sticky notes explaining the process on every application I sign for prospective members LOL ***************** End Of Article ****************** I don't know..., Lisa Van Loo, faralloncbrREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 15, 2006 at 05:46:42 ...it sounds like the theoretical BS that "dog behaviorists" come up with, because they've never actually trained or lived with multiple dogs! Sure makes for entertaining reading for the rest of us, though! Lisa ***************** End Of Article ****************** W D Stakes - Numbers, Penny Warner, pwarnerREMOVE@fuse.net, September 15, 2006 at 05:57:56 Here are the numbers for the WD Stakes being held on October 1, 2006 at the ACC Specialty in Wilmingotn, Ohio. Total number of 59 Dogs. Breakdown as follows. WD - Flight A 17 Dogs WD - Flight B 18 Dogs WDX - 11 Dogs WDQ - 13 Dogs This next week watch the mailbox for your packet with running number and a set of Working Dog Stakes rules and regulations. GOOD LUCK to you all and have a safe trip in. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Technique for accepting new puppy into the house, Kevin Shaffer, KevinsREMOVE@leer.com, September 15, 2006 at 06:02:46 Just going through this. (this was a male/female intro, a same sex intro may go different) What Kathy mentioned is how we dealt with our intro. Supervise the pup and dog with times together. Within 5 weeks they're now playing together well, sharing toys, don't bother food & water, etc. I think the older male is "tolerant" of the puppy stuff. And when she goes over the top, he lets her know it. When we see play escalating to more, we step in. And correct both dogs. Then again all dogs and people can not be alike. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Well, I just went through this not too long ago... , kerrie, chesapeakebayretrieverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 15, 2006 at 06:49:29 Basically, what I did was set up a crate in my living room. Puppy was put in crate, big dog was allowed free roam of house. Big dog would go sniff crate. Puppy would lay in crate and watch big dog. When puppy was let out, both dogs were supervised. If puppy wanted to play w/ big dog, I would let puppy initiate play. If big dog did NOT want to play, I would allow big dog to give correction. I only interferred if really necessary. Otherwise I let them work it out. I DID NOT correct big dog for correcting the puppy and I DID NOT coddle the little dog when big dog corrected her. Once, both dogs were outside and little dog kept pestering big dog. Then I heard this gawd aweful noise. It sounded like big dog was murdering little dog. Little dog was screaming and screaming and she rolled over on her back and pee'd on herself. Big dog corrected her for being a pest. She didn't hurt little dog, she was just letting it be known that enough is enough. Both dogs (both females) love together quite nicely, actually. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/00cyrus00/IMG_3573_1__700.jpg Jessie & Morgan http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/00cyrus00/IMG_3573_1__700.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Speaking of Entry Numbers , Donna, staddamREMOVE@adelphia.net, September 15, 2006 at 07:48:11 I went out MBF to see if they had conformation numbers yet...they're out there, but the judging program is for the Michigan specialty. So I don't know if the numbers are for OH or MI. ***************** End Of Article ****************** ACC training day, Kevin Shaffer, KevinsREMOVE@leer.com, September 15, 2006 at 07:51:41 Since I'm new to this field and training thing. Do I need to bring toothpicks? To get the feathers out from between my teeth. Everything else in training I've had to show the pup what to do. Will I have to retrieve a bird??? LOL. Looking forward to learning a lot and meeting some new Chessie people. Riding in the new tractor! And lunch too. Thanks to Julie and Pat for their hard work. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: I did it the EXACT same way..., Donna, staddamREMOVE@aelphia.net, September 15, 2006 at 07:53:57 When I brought Sunny home, I told Lily she could growl at her one time. After that she had better cool it. SInce Maggie (Lily's daughter) had only died 4 days before, Lily accepted Sunny and really mothered her. When Cash arrived 8 month later Sunny was thrilled to have a buddy. Lily was much less thrilled. LOL I handled it the same way Kerrie did. In fact, I remember one incident where Sunny tried to stick her face into Lily's food...first time - lip curl, second time - lip curl, third time - CORRECTION. Sunny screamed (Lily never touched her)and she came running over to me. I told her, hey you were warned. They learn. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Pretty cool water photo of Jake. :), Brian, brian_leclere@yahooREMOVE.com, September 15, 2006 at 08:24:38 Awesome photo...What a super water entry!!! Isn't it great to have a dog with great desire for the water!!! Thanks for the photo. Brian ***************** End Of Article ****************** Big Thanks to Julie for Use of Her Farm, Pat Puwal, blurdgchesREMOVE@verizon.net, September 15, 2006 at 08:59:41 That is very kind, Kevin. We sure are planning on everyone having a good time and hope that everyone will be forthcoming about asking for what they need. The biggest part of the training day is Julie's generosity in allowing us to come and use her farm. She is also the super-coordinator, who has pulled in the birds, gunners, food, etc. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Yes..., Susie, iluvchessiesREMOVE@aol.com, September 15, 2006 at 09:22:41 bring a box of toothpicks! Your pup will either be a genious OR you will be retrieving the birds LOL You are so lucky and your going to have sooo much fun!I was hoping to win the Lotto this week so Gracie and I could visit the Redneck Riviera but, it ain't gonna happen :o( ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Hey - I could earn back my wasted entry fees!, Lynn Kapus, kadondogs@REMOVEsbcglobal.net, September 15, 2006 at 09:26:59 Lorrie, Lex and Bart sure are brothers!!! Bart is in Wisc. with a pro trainer, thought it was best when I broke my foot over the summer. NO, Bart did not push me down LOL. He'll be there through Nov. Just me and Dexter coming. We would love to watch Lex at the WD. Good luck Lynn ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Lex and Agility - a new Blue Ribbon, Lynn Kapus, kadondogs@REMOVEsbcglobal.net, September 15, 2006 at 09:29:17 Congratulations Lex and Lorrie Lynn ***************** End Of Article ****************** We were hoping to get the Big Blue Marble on the road, H. Hauser, molly@REMOVEdoggeek.com, September 15, 2006 at 09:34:48 but alas it was not to be. Instead of camping in a van down by the pond we'll be camping at the Quality Inn. We're looking forward to the big do'ins and Craig is planning to bring his bass boat. http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.lindentertainment.com/photogallery/who%2520wont%2520be%2520at%2520the%2520fest_/redneck%2520bass%2520boat.jpg&sig=__jOaCl-A-8UaABCFyQfkAhu8I2ZE= redneck bass boat ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Look at that "look"!, Dana G, browndogs3@comcast.netREMOVE, September 15, 2006 at 10:01:25 Morgan's ears say she's getting the message, but Jessie looks like she would like to tear into her if she made a move! The shot is too funny, I'm glad they've worked it out. Dana ***************** End Of Article ****************** Actually Dana - , kerrie, chesapeakebayretrieverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 15, 2006 at 10:18:14 Morgan was cursing me out because I was making her sit/stay and Jessie was looking at her saying -- you better listen to mom or else you'll get in BIG trouble. :o) It's funny as Jessie often tells on Morgan when Morgan's doing something she shouldn't. For example, one day Morgan was in the toilet bowl and Jessie was barking and barking and barking at her. Another, Morgan was rummaging through the pantry.. and again, Jessie was barking and barking at her. It's rather comical. ***************** End Of Article ****************** USDA Licensed Breederes and brokers - often times referred to as puppymills..., kerrie, chesapeakebayretreiverREMOVE@gmail.com, September 15, 2006 at 11:46:05 Now, what is a puppy mill? That depends - everyone sees it differently. Here's a link with some good information: http://www.kimtownsend.com/breeders.html WHOLESALE BREEDERS & BROKERS ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Well...I take that back, try this..., Jaymie, jjarman123REMOVE@yahoo.com, September 15, 2006 at 12:18:54 That is funny how your dog acted with the small dogs. Roux has been raised with 2 Shelties, one, the female, is smaller but actually the breed standard of about 13 inches. The other, Skip, was bigger. Roux is absolutely terrified of little dogs and will run away from them. When we go up to the lake where there are campers around, if we walk through the campground on our way to the woods to run a bit, she will run away from any chihuahuas, jack russels, or any other little dog. Now she saw a dog about the size of a big Sheltie once and got a little more aggressive looking but gladly came along with me. She is such a wimp. ***************** End Of Article ****************** New Look!, Renee, rlchessieREMOVE@comcast.net, September 15, 2006 at 15:31:33 NICE WORK GEORGE! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: New Look!, Therese Terschuren, klassicaljazzREMOVE@netzero.com, September 15, 2006 at 15:34:06 Really cool!! Love it... thanks George. Therese ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Kriss, cheesiepeakeREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 15, 2006 at 17:11:09 That is too funny - Bridget hated the tunnel and would do whatever she could dream up to avoid it. The instructor suggested when she stuck her head in it to roll her tennis ball part way to her - far enough so she could see it (all the other dogs were baited with food treats - the only thing good enough for her was her tennis ball). We tried rolling the ball to her and she ran out and tried to "dig" under the tunnel from the outside where the ball had stopped. She made up for it by prancing through the weave poles any time she got close to them. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Why is AKC important, Therese Terschuren, klassicaljazzREMOVE@netzero.com, September 15, 2006 at 19:18:49 If AKC is mainly a registry organization and does note sift through what puppy is from a responsible breeder and which are being just cranked out by a puppy mill, why is AKC so important to be registered in? Is it because only with an AKC registry can one participate in an AKC show? Just wondering... Therese ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: New Look!, Kriss, cheesiepeake@REMOVEyahoo.com, September 15, 2006 at 19:23:22 I always liked how classy this site looks - now its even better! Good work George. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Why is AKC important, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 15, 2006 at 20:59:56 Because AKC sponsors 90% of the shows in the country, because it's the most important registry as 90% of the dogs bred in the country are registered with AKC, because all the other registries are either phonies or secondary, because.....I'm sure I could think of more reasons given time. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: National Specialty: Who's Going and Who's Entered in What?, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 15, 2006 at 21:02:26 Did you try compressing the tunnel so it was only 2 or 3 feet deep and in a straight line? A lot of dogs don't like the tunnel, so that's the way you start them, and gradually work out the length in a straight line, then start with a gentle curve. Also, you should have someone hold the dog at one end, thread your leash through the tunnel and you call her through to you using the leash, then reward with lots of treats. The dog really has no choice but to go through it that way and gets mega rewarded by you at the other end. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: New Look!, Candida, sowdencaREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 16, 2006 at 06:05:18 Way to go George! ***************** End Of Article ****************** Kath, do you have this site saved to your favorites from this page?, Traci C, t-cahillREMOVE@sbcglobal.net, September 16, 2006 at 06:21:16 If so, that's why you missed the new look. You have to go to the homepage (with my drawing :), then click on it and you get to the new "menu page". It looks pretty neat! http://www.cbrs4me.com/ Homepage ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Dyane's Seminar in Ohio - Question, Dyane Baldwin, pondholoREMOVE@pa.net, September 16, 2006 at 06:52:07 No you don't. Room is spacious. Will run about 90 minutes. Photographs of historic dogs in the breed and small amt of info about each one. Gives new people a chance to "see" some of the dogs in their pedigrees. Dyane ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: AKC ? I HOPE THIS IS NOT TRUE - Long reply from AKC, Ann McD, quiltdogREMOVE@yahoo.com, September 16, 2006 at 08:28:44 It seems it, more or less, is true- the following from the poodle folks, via the Norfolk Terrier folks - The gist of it seems to be they are teaching/allowing the Petland people to register dogs for people on-line in the store at time of sale. Here's the LONG response from David Roberts, AVP Registration and Customer Services. Thank you for your feedback. We appreciate and understand the concerns of our breeders and dog owners. We hope the information provided below is helpful. At the September meeting of the AKC Delegates, the AKC announced a program in which Petland may facilitate the individual AKC registration process for eligible dogs sold in their stores. Today, many of these AKC-registrable dogs are registered with other registries or not at all. Several questions emerged following that announcement. We provide the following details to reduce misunderstandings about the program. What kind of agreement does the AKC have with Petland? Following are some of the basic facts about this plan: Only AKC-registrable dogs are eligible for this program. The program does not provide registration to dogs not otherwise eligible for registration. We are doing this in large part to assure that AKC-registrable puppies already in these stores are registered with AKC. AKC will educate Petland staff about the value and importance of AKC registration. AKC will highlight the opportunity for participation in appropriate AKC events and the importance of programs like AKC Canine Good Citizen to promote responsible dog ownership. Petland will encourage new puppy owners to register with the AKC. Petland will help the customer complete the AKC registration form online, similar to the current online registration process. The customer will pay the entire AKC registration fee in the store. Petland may charge the customer a small processing fee to cover their cost. Registering in the store increases the likelihood that the puppy owner will register their new puppy with the AKC. Research has shown that if dog owners don't register their dog soon after acquiring it, they are less likely to do so in the future. This program allows the AKC inspections team to continue its active presence in the commercial sector. If puppies sold in retail pet stores are not AKC registrable, AKC loses the ability to inspect and influence the care and conditions in pet stores and the breeding kennels that supply the pet stores. AKC and Petland are not engaged in an endorsement, partnership, affiliation or joint venture. A written agreement between AKC and Petland exists, in large part, to protect the AKC and ensure that all applicable AKC Registration Rules and Procedures are followed. AKC does not endorse any breeder or seller of dogs. Our central message about how to buy a puppy -- to thoroughly research the breed and the breeder and to consult AKC resources, starting with the parent club -- has not and will not change. This program has not changed AKC's registration policies. The AKC has always registered dogs sold through pet retailers as long as the pet store and breeder are in compliance with our standards for accurate record keeping and meet the AKC's care and conditions requirements. Read our Compliance fact sheet at: http://www.akc.org/press_center/facts_stats.cfm?page=6. The program with Petland offers AKC an opportunity to communicate the benefits of registration and involve new puppy owners in the world of AKC but does not imply an endorsement any more than AKC papers have in the past. It will ensure that AKC inspectors and investigators continue to have access to all kennels breeding AKC puppies. This will continue enforcement of our care and conditions policies and compliance with record-keeping. Why is AKC encouraging the registration of all registrable dogs? Today, many AKC-registrable dogs sold by pet retailers are not registered with the AKC by their owner. Less than 50 percent of AKC-registrable dogs are registered with the AKC. The AKC strategic plan targets this problem in all customer groups, including pet stores. When these new owners do not register, AKC and our clubs lose the ability to encourage them to become part of the fancy or to educate them about responsible dog ownership. We feel we can best promote our values and bring people into the world of AKC events by reaching out to new dog owners no matter where they choose to purchase their dog. AKC's ability to influence legislation and public opinion is directly linked to the number of dog owners we represent. Ultimately, AKC's ability to take a leadership stand on any issue is closely tied to the size of our constituency (the number of people with AKC registered dogs). AKC can best serve the interests of dogs and their owners by maintaining stringent standards and promoting the benefits of AKC registration. With more than 20 different for-profit businesses acting as canine "registries" in the U.S., it is important that the AKC distinguish itself as the genuine purebred registry. Many of these for-profit businesses will "register" dogs with little or no proof of lineage and none have any inspections or compliance standards. These businesses actively and aggressively work to convert AKC registrations into applications for their listing services. The fact that AKC can inspect kennels and pet shops and take action against them whenever necessary protects the welfare of all AKC puppies. AKC's ability to offer important programs is directly linked to our annual registrations. In addition to subsidizing AKC events, registration fees provide support for a range of programs and services including the AKC Canine Health Foundation and the AKC Museum of the Dog. Registration income also provides an important source of funding for our scholarship programs, veterinary outreach, our compliance department, combating unfair canine legislation, providing disaster relief and much more. What else is being done to promote AKC Registration? We are less than a year into a five year strategic plan that has already introduced a suite of benefits and resources for the fancy including a breeder newsletter, full litter registration option, litter coupons, online accounts and enhancements to online dog registration. In addition, AKC has introduced new registration benefits like dog.com e-certificates for both breeders and individual registrants and complimentary first office visits at participating veterinarians. As we continue implementing the plan, additional programs for breeders and new dog owners will be introduced. We have made a significant investment in a diversified advertising campaign that communicates our mission and promotes the value of AKC registration and the integrity of our Registry. Our message embodied in our advertising tagline "We're more than champion dogs. We're the dog's champion" has reached almost 200 million people in print and broadcast media during the past year. How will this impact rescue? Dogs will be sold in pet stores whether or not AKC registers them. However the AKC feels that by bringing more registrants into the AKC fold we have the opportunity to educate them and involve them in programs that promote responsible dog ownership. What prompted this agreement? The AKC has undertaken a strategic plan to reverse the significant decline in registrations that has occurred during the last decade. The plan includes a number of separate initiatives. Together these initiatives are designed to regain market share, while maintaining a registry of unequaled integrity and size. The approach outlined in the plan is to increase registrations by addressing the needs of all customer groups - fanciers, breeders, pet owners and the commercial channel. This focus stems from a belief that purebred dogs are best served by the AKC, and that breeding programs are improved with our involvement. This inclusive approach helps position AKC as the voice for all dogs and all dog owners. What are the next steps? As a result of the questions raised both during and after the September Delegates Meeting the Staff will continue reviewing and communicating with our core constituency. A meeting will be held prior to the October Board Meeting which will include a number of Delegates and fanciers to discuss this initiative. The AKC Board of Directors will discuss this topic during the October Board Meeting. The program is under review by staff and management. Further details will be provided when they are available. Thank you David Roberts AVP Registration and Customer Services American Kennel Club You may direct comments to: Email: puppyreg@akc.org Mail: AKC Operations, 5580 Centerview Drive, Raleigh, NC 27606-3390 ***************** End Of Article ****************** yes, kath, koldingREMOVE@aptalaska.net, September 16, 2006 at 13:00:35 I do have this site saved (to desktop) so its easy to just click and open and voila! there it is.... but I did go look and I see that it was changed.. thanks Traci.... Kat ***************** End Of Article ****************** chessie in the news, nora, tartarsazraelREMOVE@aol.com, September 16, 2006 at 13:45:03 Plainfield community unites dog with owner By FRANCESCA KEFALAS Norwich Bulletin http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.exe/article?AID=/20060916/NEWS01/609160322/1002 PLAINFIELD -- Sometimes, it can take a whole community to find a lost dog. http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.exe/article?AID=/20060916/NEWS01/609160322/1002 link to story ***************** End Of Article ****************** MH Leg, Gina, ginadownin@att.netREMOVE, September 16, 2006 at 15:24:07 Congrats to Jane Pappler and Can CH Redlion's Hit Doctor ** CMH, WDX, JH for successfully completing another MH test today at the Mid-Jersey Labrador Retriever Club's test. Joe is owned and handled by Jane. This is Joe's 3rd MH leg in the US. He has already completed his MH in Canada. I snapped this picture of him last weekend when he ran test dog for a SH test in MD. gina http://home.att.net/~ginadownin/JoeWaterDropsSm.jpg ***************** End Of Article ****************** Rescue Dog Brag!!, Terry Roy, TerrySC2@REMOVEaol.com, September 16, 2006 at 17:19:49 My girl Chelsea, a shelter dog adopted in 2003 (currently age 6 or 7), tested for and received her CGC title this morning, on her first attempt and without studying. ;-) Unfortunately she believes the title of "Diva" now applies! ha ha. ***************** End Of Article ****************** Way to go Jane and Joe!, Patti, chesaloosa@REMOVEcomcast.net, September 16, 2006 at 18:29:17 ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: New Look!, George, brave@cbrs4meREMOVE.com, September 16, 2006 at 19:26:27 Thanks, guys. Still to come is the completion of "Field Influences - Dogs & People". I've only done 5 of the 40 pages in this series. G ***************** End Of Article ****************** I believe this is the dog that had a notice posted on the rescue board for!, Kathy Miller, SndyoakREMOVE@aol.com, September 16, 2006 at 20:20:50 The same gal posted back to advise he had been found. Thanks for posting the article. Kathy ***************** End Of Article ****************** Re: Why is AKC important, Therese Terschuren, klassicaljazzREMOVE@netzero.com, September 16, 2006 at 21:21:24 I am aware of what AKC does for all the shows etc. I just have been thinking how interesting it is that on the one hand AKC is so supportive in almost all the shows that we AKC owners participate in and on the other hand AKC is, albeit vicarisouly, supporting puppy mills in giving registry to these pups.. Therese ***************** End Of Article ******************